<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ygWExq7g2F0&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ygWExq7g2F0&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object> man I'm just listening to this interview is this guy wierd or what! ...... do only black people always make race an issue?? not black enough???
No one thinks Obama is a racist but he should disassociate with Wright long long time ago. Going to his church is his choice. He repeatedly made the same bad choice for the last 20 years, so he judgment is not good. I don't think anyone is throwing the WHOLE CHURCH under the bus. Most of them know Wright is just one of the many pastors there.
So do all the members of the church have bad judgment then? If not, why should Obama have left but not the rest of them? I don't see any issues with Obama disagreeing with some (or many) of his pastor's views - if you left every congregation whether a pastor said things you disagreed with, you'd be endlessly church-hopping. I think where Obama did make a horrible decision is putting him on his religious outreach team or whatever it was for his campaign (he has since left). There was no good reason to do that, knowing some of this guy's craziness.
Wrong. There would be little backlash. There would be outrage, yes. But once the candidate denounces those views--99% of the public forgets. http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ia2hzmdjsOE2A5hTebgVwIJ4N50QD8V49FGO0 John McCain is refusing to renounce the endorsement of a prominent Texas televangelist who Democrats say peddles anti-Catholic and other intolerant speech....."However, in no way did I intend for his endorsement to suggest that I in turn agree with all of Pastor Hagee's views, which I obviously do not," McCain said in the statement....."When he endorses me, that does not mean that I endorse everything that he stands for and believes in," McCain said. "I don't have to agree with everyone who endorses my campaign." He added that he was "proud" of Hagee's spiritual leadership of his congregation at the 17,000-member Cornerstone Church. The Catholic League and Catholics United called on McCain to reject the endorsement."By publicly addressing this issue, you will reaffirm to the American public and to Catholics that intolerance and bigotry have no place in American presidential campaigns," Chris Korzen, executive director of Catholics United, wrote McCain in a letter sent Thursday. McCain's response to the two days of criticism stood in contrast to his rapid denunciation of a radio talk show host who denigrated Barack Obama, repeatedly using Obama's middle name, Hussein, and calling him a "hack, Chicago-style" politician. McCain immediately apologized and said he repudiated the statements of the radio host, Bill Cunningham, while warming up a Cincinnati crowd for McCain on Tuesday. "Any comment that is disparaging of either Senator Clinton or Senator Obama is totally inappropriate," McCain said at the time. (This version CORRECTS SUBS 8th graf, When he, to correct to "I endorse" sted "I embrace.") [/i] So Ref is it OK for McCain to not refuse the endorsement of Hagee and for him to welcome the support of his congregation who hears his whack sermons every week. What does it say to associate with Hagee and Bill Cunningham--who his party (and maybe his campaign) had warm up the crowd for him. What happened to the McCain that once called out the Bob Jones crowd so directly--"If I’d have been invited to go to Bob Jones University , sure, I’d have gone! And I’d have told them, ‘Get out of the 16th century and into the 21st century. What you’re doing is racist and cruel!’" If you have disguist with the Obama for his preacher association I assume you must have disguist with McCain for his associates--or is there a double standard here.
From my POV, the rest of them also had such a close relationship with Wright, then they also have bad judgment. It is not just something you disagree with. It is something you strongly disagree with. I think you do need to go church hopping if you find that you strongly disagree with the pastor's view. If not, you are torturing your own mind. If it really becomes an endless church-hopping exercise, then obviously something is wrong with yourself.
Well, Wright and Obama has a close and lifelong association. But McCain and Hagee only has a casual one (most likely one that is the result of political convenience). Obviously you should take Obama's association more seriously. This also explains why problems of Ferraro and Powers are minor.
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people like wright should go back to africa if its so much better over there and if america is so evil. he has the freedom to leave then.. why stay here if he is so oppressed..
He must be some kinda stupid. Heck, his father and grandfather were probably chased around by a bunch of white people in bed linens and ropes. Smarter people who have taken the hint and got on that boat back to Africa. BTW, Wright also has the freedom to stay and expect Americans to live up to their own ideals.
Ref, don't think there's a double-standard, or not the one you're seeing. This Wright story is getting huge run. All my relatives were on about via the phone. I still think people mistake love and pride, confuse trust versus high standards. But we'll save that for another thread.
Great church there, Obama! In the November/December 2007 issue of Trumpet, their church’s publication, Wright praised Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, who has described whites as "blue-eyed devils" and Jews as "bloodsuckers." Wright wrote, "He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest….and will be remembered as one of the 20th and 21st century giants of the African-American religious experience. His integrity and honesty have secured him a place in history as one of the nation's most powerful critics…and a religious leader who is sincere about his faith and his purpose." Farrakhan's photo is on the cover of the church magazine, is accompanied by the headline: "The Minister truly epitomized greatness." Wright presented Farrakhan with a "lifetime achievement" award during a church gala held in Chicago. "For his commitment to truth, education and leadership." (See Wright's video honoring Farrakhan) But what about this side of Farrakhan who said: In 1984 Farrakhan, "Hitler was a very great man. He wasn't great for me as a Black man but he was a great German and he rose Germany up from the ashes of her defeat by the united force of all of Europe and America after the first World War." A decade later, Farrakhan reiterated the claim that Hitler was a "great man". And, "Now, that nation of Israel, never has had any peace in forty years and she will never have any peace because there can never be any peace structured on injustice, thievery, lying and deceit and using the name of God to shield your dirty religion under His holy and righteous name." And, "Do you know some of these satanic Jews have taken over BET?... Everything that we built, they have. The mind of Satan now is running the record industry, movie industry and television. And they make us look like we’re the murders; we look like we’re the gangsters, but we’re punk stuff.”
Now the big crit is he is an associate of an associate of Farrakhan. Yeah, that is going to stick. Keep searching fellas. At least another person with testimony to how ridiculous Ferraro's comments were.
Come on, dude. If Obama associates himself with persons with such divisive and radical thoughts (Wright, not Farrakhan), then one must wonder to what degree he believes those thoughts. I find it very difficult to buy the idea that he holds close a man who preaches hate, yet he himself has none of that hate in his heart. I certainly do not agree with everything my friends say, but I don't generally associate myself with people who spew out views that I consider repugnant at their core. Sure, Obama has downplayed it...but every person has two sides. That side which they show publicly, and their true self which can only be known privately.
Generally one puts their best foot forward publicly. So one must wonder if Wright is showing what he really believes in his speech, or if the public side is watered down compared to what he privately feels. His speeches border on sedition.
