Jeff Van Gundy to be on ESPN 790 with Charlie today (6/16/2006)

this is probably the most detailed post i've ever read for someone who doesn't remember exactly what was said. i would bet money that van gundy has never ever said on radio that at best chuck hayes will be a third string player.

 

I remember I read that somewhere too. Could it be THE ONE that some people is too late to read?

 

This thread has 7,600 views and no one has remembered except you so far. Why don't you stop talking, and find a link?

 

You know, this scares me more than anything else - they've done such a wonderful job so far...

 

Exactly.

 

I also read that JVG mentioned Head's lack of height being a problem and initially not wanting to draft him. Where I read this I'm not sure, but........

 

Are you sure it wasn't RD posting in another thread?

 

That's 3 other people now, DaDakota, GTO, and The Real Shady that seem to remember either hearing or reading something somewhat similar to those comments.

Why is everyone doubting this?

You know it's not like anything he said was really that untrue.

Hayes is an undrafted 6-6 PF and Head is a 6-3 185 SG with bad PG skills, so it isn't exactly like he said something that's just downright false.

 

He said it on a radio interview, that he did not want Hayes because of his height, and that Lindsey wanted him, and that after he coached him he realized that he was wrong.

Same thing about Luther, when he was asked about the draft.....

I heard it, and others did as well, he was not hammering anyone, but was making fun of himself as not being that great at judging talent coming into the NBA.

DD

 

I believe that came from the removed thread from unsaid poster who was at the luncheon with the coach. Either that or it was an interview with Palillo or the guys at 610 where he said that he didn't want either Hayes or Head originally.

 

my understanding is that van gundy is never heavily involved in draft scouting because he doesn't watch college basketball. obviously his opinion is still of value. the rockets drafted head because lindsey really pushed for him. van gundy was dissapointed when he found out he was a short shooting guard but his opinion of him changed when he started playing. same with hayes. this was all true but rockets dynasty's picture of the situation is significantly more negative.

this is totally a figment of his imagination.

 

JVG used a normal tone when talking now about the pick, but just earlier he was negative there were no quality players at 8.

He was negative in tone about Spanoulis awhile back, and that's how he sounded on this interview with hayes and Head.

The way you say something is often more important that what you say.

Like I said, JVG is odd maybe he's just always a pessimitic person, but he really sounded like someone that is mad that he isn't being given more say on team moves.

 

you keep saying this but i don't get that at all. that's how rumors and false information is spread. van gundy is a gloomy guy by nature yes, but the idea that he seems angry/seperated from the team is something i don't even remotely get the impression of. it seems by choice he doesn't follow the draft as closely as free agency.

 

Maybe your're right.

 

It wasn't from that thread.

I won't believe any of this until you guys find a legit thread where people are talking about it.

It's not a coincidence that you, DD, and RD "heard it on the radio". (and there are very few others) It supports your case.

Find a topic please.

 

From everything I've read and heard JVG seems to have a good grasp of what really works in the league today. Everything he's said since the end of last season about the Rockets needing to get bigger, more athletic and versatile is dead on correct. Let's face some facts here: A 6-6 PF puts your team at a serious disadvantage in today's Western Conference. Ditto for a 6-3 SG who has no PG skills. This isn't to say that these guys can't be players because both have proven that they can play. JVG himself has admitted this publicly so I'm a bit unsure what the controversy here is all about. It's just that players like these aren't the superior kind of player that can make a difference in this team's ability to compete and contend. This is where this team has fallen and continues to fall short. The focus of the Rockets needs to be on acquiring players that will force other teams into adjusting to what they are doing out there on the court and not the other way around (as is the case now).

 

They have 2 already, Yao and Tmac.

DD

 

What the hell? I'll try to help you:

1. Did JVG say those things?
2. Did mean ol' CD and Lindsey foist 2 unwanted guys onto JVG?
3. If JVG's a high-profile coach who wants or has no control over personnel decisions, why is he here, and who else would want him?
4. Why does he now like those guys now at their undersized, underskilled selves?

Hey man, that's the thread. Did you read any of it?

 

We've gone from fantasy land...

To something that sounds believable...

BUT, what Rockets Dynasty said is not supported by DaDa's account, which I can believe.

JVG saying he did not want Hayes does not mean that he was "overridden". You can't be overridden when that isn't your job to start with. JVG would have had to tell the Rockets that he couldn't coach those guys to be "overridden". For all we know, they agreed on 3 guys that were draftable, and the Rockets picked JVG's 3rd choice. The point is... we have NO idea, so characterizing the event in such a negative way is pure speculation and fantasy.

I don't have time, but the same can be said for virtually every comment that has been made in this thread.