Jeff Van Gundy Says Get Rid of The Fouling Out Rule

Whoops, sorry for the double post, seems my point has already been addressed, never mind.

 

This doesn't solve Gundy's main gripe, which is how ticky tack fouls change the game. Once a certain player gets 6 fouls, the opponent would be all over him trying to get him to foul someone, so the oppposing team gets 2 balls and possession. Having your opponent get two shots and ball possession isn't really all that different from getting your player fouled out.

 

The argument: "Fouls are part of the game. You have to just play better defense." doesn't really address the issue.

Yeah, its part of the current game. JVG is arguing it would be a better game without it. He probably doesn't like how the rules of the game are titled towards the offense, and that there are so many touch fouls. He used to coach Yao, and his bother coaches Dwight Howard. This isn't an unexpected view from him.

I think he has a point, but fouls would undoubtedly increase and the games would probably be slower as a result. Yeah, fans want to see the best players on the floor at the end of the game, but they also don't want to see a foul-line parade.

 

The problem isn't the rule itself, but how the referees apply it. Unfortunately, I don't see the rule or the refs being changed any time soon.

 

Now I would go with that rule, sounds a whole lot better :grin:

 

So up the number of free throws once a team goes into the penalty each quarter. Fifth team foul = two free throws, 7th team foul + three free thows etc.

I always thought the best way to discourage fouling would be by giving the fouled team a bigger advantage offensively instead of penalizing the defensive team...and the fans.

 

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But I will add that I think this is the best way to go. No coach is going to risk having the opposition get three foul shots every time there is a foul. Or maybe make the rule so that on the 7th team foul (or whatever number you like) the best free throw shooter on the team gets to shoot the team's free throws on all on non-shooting fouls. So if someone wants to hack-a-Shaq they can't do it forever because at some point it becomes Mo Williams shooting his free throws.

 

I like the idea of giving the other team two free throws and the ball on a players 6th+ foul and letting the player stay in the game. This way, it's a gamble to leave him on the floor with his foul situation yet it gives the team the option to leave him in.

I also don't think you would see that much difference if they took away fouling out. Once a team goes into the penalty they aren't going to just hack away.

 

I love the foul-out rule. It would completely change basketball to get rid of it. JVG is nuts on this one.

 

You offer another suggestion that is much better than JVG's crazy idea.

 

I don't think getting rid of "fouling out" will really mean people will now foul significantly more. Sure you don't have to sit, but giving up 2 FTs in a league in which those are made at about a 75% clip is not a good outcome in a possession anyway.

 

Same was said about 3 pointers.
At first they began to trickle in . . until at one point
it seems some folx took more of them than 2 ptrs
then it settled down a bit . . .so . . . I figure a increase over time
then it will find its equalibrium

Rocket River

 

well, if you got into foul trouble early on the game, a coach leave in that player in the bench, for 5-10 minutes depends on how much time is left in the game.

5 mins its almost half a quarter, in hockey 5 mins its only a bit

 

if you get rid of the rule completely you will start seeing a lot less field goals and a lot more ft's

 

maybe he'd learn how to shoot free throws though... or he'd sit.... which is the scenario that Van Gundy is trying to avoid. Better one Shaq sit than...

 

They should do the penalty box concept like they do in Hockey...

 

I like the idea of players not fouling out, but allowing teams to either pick the free throw shooter or adding a technical foul shot for each foul on a player after his sixth.

 

Oh course he would. He'd just throw a Van Gundy free throw party the whole game.

 

I thought is comment last night about how there should be a "most improved official" award named after Steve Javie was awesome.