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Jeff Van Gundy Says Get Rid of The Fouling Out Rule

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Jeff Van Gundy Would Like the NBA to Do Away With Players Fouling Out

LOS ANGELES -- Jeff Van Gundy isn't a fan of players being forced to sit with foul trouble during games, and in fact, he'd like to see the league get rid of the "fouling out" rule altogether.

On Saturday, in response to a question about whether or not he thinks Ray Allen will continue to face problems with early fouls as he did in Game 1 of the NBA Finals, Van Gundy responded by detailing the reasons why he thinks the whole concept of players fouling out of games isn't a good one for the NBA.

"Let's hope not," Van Gundy said. "I've been against fouling out, the rule. I don't like the idea. If you say the NBA won't change to a "no-foul-out" rule, well, let's at least give them an extra foul. Because no one came here to watch who's in foul trouble. They'd like to see the Lakers' best, the Celtics' best, and ... I think it's one of the problems with basketball in general.

"In football they don't say three holding calls and you're out, in baseball they don't say two errors and you're out. I just think it's bizarre that we would want our best players to be sitting out. Especially because I think it would take a lot of burden off of the officials, too. Because if they make a poor call now it can really have an impact on the game, but if there were more fouls, at least that one foul wouldn't dramatically change things ... Ray Allen's two [early] fouls dramatically altered the course of that game. I'm not saying the outcome of that game, but the course of the game.

"I think the NBA should really lean more heavily on the expertise of the coaches who coach right now than they do. Right now they're looked at almost as like the enemy. You know, because they're always getting fined, it's like they're the 'enemy of the state', instead of like the guys who really know what would be right for the NBA -- the game. Coaches have no idea about the business of the NBA, but I would say the league has limited knowledge of what's good for the game.

"I think there are some tweaks we could have to make the game better. A lot better."
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I think he makes some good points on how ticky tack fouls change the outcome of a game. And on how it puts more pressure on officials on deciding to know when to blow the whistle or swallow the whistle. Also its what gets players so pissed off on bad balls. Not only is it giving the other team points, but its the player knowing they're about to get put out the game.

I highlighted the 2nd bolded because, other than the usual anti-corporate sentiment, it only makes sense for NBA to use all the intelligence resources they can to make the game better. Especially those closest to it. Instead of doing things like trying to replace the basketballs with a whole new brand without the players consent or input.

Though in baseball once a player leaves the game they can't re-enter the game. More fouls can make the game uglier, more physical, more injuries. Seeing a free throw contest isnt any more fun than seeing good players on the bench.

Maybe they can allow more fouls, 2 more fouls a game each player. But instead of 5 fouls to get into the bonus, make it 3 fouls. So it still takes away reason to pummel people.

#1 Shroopy2, Jun 5, 2010

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It would be great. It would force teams to actually play basketball rather than just trying to get a player into foul trouble.

#2 Child_Plz, Jun 5, 2010
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Getting players in foul trouble is a basketball strategy, it's part of the game just like pick roll and boxing out.

#3 GlenRice, Jun 5, 2010
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Do you really wanna see Don Nelson filibusterer a game though?

#4 Ziggy, Jun 5, 2010

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GlenRice said:

Getting players in foul trouble is a basketball strategy, it's part of the game just like pick roll and boxing out.
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Sadly it changed when referees tries to control the game

#5 ClutchCity3, Jun 5, 2010
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I agree with JVG on this one, he makes very good points. Just gotta make sure the refs still have the ability to toss players on flagrants and the like. Otherwise, I could care less if a player fouls 20 times. Play ball I say.

#6 clos4life, Jun 5, 2010
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GlenRice said:

Getting players in foul trouble is a basketball strategy, it's part of the game just like pick roll and boxing out.
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The difference is that the refs have nothing to do with the pick and roll play and boxing out.

I remember the days when players would actually try to make a basket instead of trying to get a call.

#7 clutch citizen, Jun 5, 2010

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Teams would just do hack-a-shaq from the start of the game, he'd shoot 100 FTs

#8 TheRealist137, Jun 5, 2010
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Ziggy said:

Do you really wanna see Don Nelson filibusterer a game though?
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exactly. i don't want to see don nelson does a hack a shaq tactic on guys who can't shoot fts the entire game. and he would if there is unlimited fouls.

#9 t_mac1, Jun 5, 2010
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Now watch JVG somehow get fined for this even though he isn't even in the league at the moment.

#10 tosweet68, Jun 5, 2010
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I think JVG is off his rocker on this one. Players must learn to defend without fouling. Simple as that.

#11 A_3PO, Jun 5, 2010
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TheRealist137 said:

Teams would just do hack-a-shaq from the start of the game, he'd shoot 100 FTs
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Exactly. This would mean no real punishment for Fouling continuously

Everytime you get your ankles broken . . you simply grab your man
THAT WOULD BE FUN TO WATCH!!!

NOT!

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#12 Rocket River, Jun 5, 2010
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I'm coming out of retirement.

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#13 redwhiteone, Jun 5, 2010

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Sorry. Spoiler fail for me :grin:

#14 redwhiteone, Jun 5, 2010
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Don't change the rules, fix the refs.

Fully 50% of what is called a foul in the NBA is negligible.

#15 napalm06, Jun 5, 2010

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Ehh I can see both sides of it. Though maybe Mr. Stern should eliminate the Joe Crawfords of the world, or maybe make sure his refs get better training, or also maybe eliminate the ticky-tack touch fouls. Can't ask for too much though! Way off topic but Mr. Stern/NBA were suppose to try and help get rid of flopping by fining the players - didnt happen iIrc.

#16 J.R., Jun 5, 2010
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napalm_black said:

Don't change the rules, fix the refs.

Fully 50% of what is called a foul in the NBA is negligible.
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Beat me to it.

#17 J.R., Jun 5, 2010
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I say fine the players that has more than 7-8 fouls. Maybe give them a $50K fine per extra foul.

Also fine the refs $500 for every bad call after a post game review.

I'm sure dictator Sperm would at least give this idea some bit of thought. He loves some of them fines.

#18 Jontro, Jun 5, 2010

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A) Games would last 4 hours. If players don't have to worry about fouling out, that's all the game would become, a foul-fest.

B) The best players don't usually foul out. When is the last time you remember Kobe or Lebron fouling out? It doesn't happen. It's just the opposite. They get superstar calls while the role players foul out or get the shaft in a judgement call that always go with the star player.

#19 DreamShakeFTW, Jun 6, 2010
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I would go with Battier's suggestion - if a player with more than six fouls commits a foul, then the team that got fouled gets two shots and the ball. That way, games wouldn't turn into foul-fests as doing so would ensure that you never got your hands on the ball, which is obviously bad.

#20 Kojirou, Jun 6, 2010

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