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Jeff Van Gundy just after 6pm

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Mattj, Mar 29, 2007.

  1. doublehh03

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    what the hell is a "half-player'? bonzi is ready just freaking play him. play him w/ yao when tmac is out. he's the only one that regularly cuts to the basket when yao gets doubled. if they front yao, we can go to bonzi. no one other than tmac, yao, bonzi can create their own shots. but it could be too late to integrate him in now :mad: . man, we need him to match up w/ punks like harpring on the jazz.

    also, it seems like tmac will guard the best perimeter player in the playoffs alot more so than battier. not in the reg. season, but playoffs. hopefully tmac can get some at kobe. i rarely see kobe shoot over tmac. as long as our help D is good, tmac can force kobe to drive into the help D
     
  2. sirbaihu

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    Sounded to me like JVG was saying that he was going to stick with the current situation for the moment, but he implied that Bonzi could come back into the rotation due to "mental mistakes" (of Snyder?) and "lack of size in the back court" (meaning Luther).
     
  3. Luffy1

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    Sometimes I wonder if that is the case actually, cause others don't seem to want what's best for winning a championship.
     
  4. declan32001

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    It does seem that way to me too. Although JVG's new favorite word is "fluid" he really sounds like he isn't sure and I don't get it. He may be losing confidence in Head, but if he has any idea that he may need to turn to Bonzi at any point he'd better get him some minutes ASAP.

    I find it interesting, and all people seem interested in is beating a not-as-previously-thought-dead horse into the ground.
     
  5. durvasa

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    For people confused by the "1/2 player" reference, he's talking about a player who won't see regular minutes in the rotation. Right now, that player is Snyder. He gets a few minutes to start the second quarter, and if he does alright he'll play some in the fourth. But its mainly just to give Tracy and Shane a few minutes rest, and in the playoffs those minutes might become less frequent. Is Bonzi willing to play that kind of role on the team without pouting and possibly hurting the team's chemistry? Can he be effective with sporadic minutes?
     
  6. Carl Herrera

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    It's noat really about genuflecting once... it's about giving a consistent serious effort all the time, staying in shape all the time. Bonzi just hasn't been motivated enough to do that this year.

    He seems to try hard when he's on the court, but getting in NBA shape is a 24/7 thing.
     
  7. Northside Moss

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    I really don't get the fixation on Bonzi. Sure, he had one good series, but so far THIS year for THIS team, he's been pretty terrible.

    2 TOs a game is inexcusable for a player in Bonzi's role. It makes you wonder what he'd average if he had a regular role on the team, I mean for comparison's sake, this forum's whipping boy for TOs, Lutha, is "only" averaging 1.75 in 6 more MPG.

    Bonzi is an abdominable 3pt shooter. 14.3% is beyond Antoine Walkerish numbers. Sure, that's not his principal role, but in a system designed to exploit the perimeter, Bonzi is a major neagtive in this regard.

    Bonzi, for all this talk about effective slashing, is a TERRIBLE FT shooter. 55%? Even Snyder, not in any way a shining example of FT shooting, is 65%. Hell, the Chuck Wagon is 63%.

    Jesus people, wake up and smell the Bonzi Dream frying in the JVG pan.
     
  8. rocket3forlife2

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    yeah I don't know what's up with all the bonzi hype he is beyond overrated!
     
  9. Riz

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    So much love for Tmac! its hard to take it in all at once!
     
  10. declan32001

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    That's too simplistic and you know it. Just to play devil's advocate here, JVG might be saying "I have no idea whether I need to play him or not, or I get forced to play him and the goes for 20, 6 & 4 and I'm screwed".

    The reponses here confuse me. They seem to boil down to "Bonzi's a jerk. JVG knows what he's doing" and all I heard was JVG essentially saying "I'm not sure what I'm going to do".

    We all know the playoffs are all about matchups and Bonzi historically has been a match-up problem. And his defensive abilities tend to be kamikaze and not suited to JVG's system, so why is JVG hedging his bets on this?

    Just bury Bonzi. Do it. Over and over against unpopular posters. Then e-mail JVG and help the guy out.
     
  11. Mordo

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    In every playoff series that Bonzi played, his team lost in the first round.

    JVG has made it to the Finals. Before Bonzi brags about his first round flameouts, he should learn from the people who have made it to the 2nd round.
     
  12. orbb

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    no use secong guessing the coach i guess...he knows what he's doing right?

    I just hope this doesnt come back to bite us in the ass come playoff time. Bonzi's style of play is an excellent mismatch for many of the elite teams we will probably face. It might not be a bad idea to have bonzi, snyder in for a few minutes while our main players are resting. This way we dont start losing on the offensive end.
     
  13. A_3PO

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    You just don't get it! Bonzi is our playoff savior! This notion has been repeated here time and time and time again. Hasn't the repetition gotten through to you yet? The clear evidence of his play during this year's regular season must be ignored because blind faith in him says it's JVG that's been holding him down. It has nothing to do with Bonzi drinking his can of "I don't care about helping the Rockets, it's all about me" and burping in everyone's face since the day he signed. It would have been easier if the fat tub of lard had signed somewhere else.

    It would have been great if he signed with the Heat and showed up for camp looking like Chuck Weatherspoon. Riles would have given him a "fitness" goal, showed him the door and told him don't bother coming back until he was conditioned. Yet JVG handles him with softer hands and still gets the blame.
     
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    Northside Moss

    totally agree

    when Bionzi DID get time, he just didnt look good, he is not a good fit unless he can get to the basket, which he seems to have problems with when he played this year.
    Kirk shows more ability to get to the hole than Bonzi has this year.

    Get over what he USED to be, that isnt him anymore.

    He blew it this offseason, his series vs SA was damn good, but the desire to be THAT good just doesnt sem to be there THIS season.

    Bonzi is being asked to do something that Kirk and Jho have been asked to do this season....stay ready ay all times....Kirk and Jho both responded with effort and hustle and committment to the team.

    Bonzi hasnt.

    That isnt how this team was put together, and Im sure he was told that when signed...its is TOTALLY on him for his failure to do anything.
     
  15. A_3PO

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    How exactly is Bonzi a mismatch vs. the Suns or Mavs? Do you mean in their favor instead of ours? Diaw, Marion, Bell, Stackhouse and Howard would leave him in the dust catching his breath.
     
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    you will be the only one that cares.
     
  17. Matchman

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    thats true
    but last time we play the mavpricks he was posting up Stackhouse and Howard which few in this team (and the entire league) can do
     
  18. orbb

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    An SG at his size (lol) with decent post moves will always be difficult to defend, especially at his position. Witness the Spurs/Kings matchup (yeah i know, he wasnt the only factor). I really doubt Stackhouse or Diaw or Howard can shut down Bonzi in the post. ANd it has little to do with wether Bonzi is more skilled.

    I'm not suggesting Bonzi is some miracle answer...all i'm saying is matchups are important, especially in the playoffs. Look how GS gives Dallas fits.

    I mean geez, we have him right? Why not use him...oh well.
     
  19. TMac#1

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    Tmac can do that, and with Yao occupying most of the paint, it is tough for Bonzi to have room to operate in the post, unless both guys are on the bench. He was very turover prone when he did play this season also, just not really a good fit.
     
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    He was saying the things about tmacs defense in particular that were taking the words out of my mouth. I actually believe that health aside he is the best player on the planet. He has the ability to score 35 every night, kill you jumpers and threes, post you up, beat anybody off the dribble. HE has the best court vision in the league, if he was a full time PG on the Suns he would dish out more assists than Nash. He is a freakish athlete size wise, and if he wanted to he could completely shut down the best players every night. Look what he did to Novitzki for 7 games while still dominating on offense. tmac is incredible.

    i heart tmac.
     

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