Dayamm this board is fast! I just heard about it and this thread is already 15 pages. Anyway happy trails JVG. You weren't a bad coach but I think the Rox have gone as far as they could with you.
This is exactly what I'm talking about man. He's a great regular season coach with the players he gets. But he cant finish the job in the playoffs with them. How many more years do you want to give the dude?? Rebuild the roster yet again and give him yet another set of new players????? He doesnt deserve this chance IMO
I also think Adelman faced a lot more competition (especially in the playoffs) than JVG ever did. I don't think you can knock on Adelman for not winning it all, he did have to face the Pistons (Zeke, Dumars, Laimbeer, Rodman, Salley) who won multiple championships and the Bulls (Jordan, Jordan, Jordan, Jordan) the only times he went to the Finals. With the Kings, he had to go against the Shaq/Kobe Lakers and well lets face it, no team was more dominant since the Bulls. And if it wasn't for another Horry 3-pointer at the buzzer, maybe he does have that ring. Furthermore, he took the Mavs to a game 7 despite losing C-Webb. And I don't think its all about talent, I wouldn't say the Spurs, GSW, or Jazz were more talented than our team, but they played much better than we did for whatever reason.
don't twist my words, I never said that JL or Span would be better than Alston in this case...You get irritated by my sig, hey I am still walking and not floating..... here is what I have would done...my perspective Alston would play 30-35 minutes a game at the start of the season, with proper adjusting he would play his part in each game. I would have gotten the bench time to play and if it plays out well I would have split Alston's time with JL, Span and TMac I would not have Alston shoot more then 5-7 shots a game, his main job would be to run the offense, open up space for the big guys, take charges while driving to the basket, I would ask him to take midrange jumpers, quick midrange jumpers... I would never have played Span the 2! that was the most ludacris thing to do, JVG did not want to adjust, he played by his rules and ruined the minutes Span has gotten JL3 has to bring the spark of the bench, he needs to drive the opponents defense crazy, he also would not take many shots, basically we have three PG who are not reliable shooters, but hey so isn't Kidd, althou we are talking about a player on an another level
You are right. I am going to argue that VSpan could have drove to the hole. Much better shot selection IMO than Rafer shooting a 3. Drive hard to the hole and get a lay-up, kick out to an open man because the reacted to the man with the ball or get fouled and shoot free throws. On top of that I believe this VSpan would give the team much better 1 on 1 and peremeter defense.
Yeah, Les FINALLY fired him after 2 weeks of "he said, she said" (or actually, "he said, he said"). JVG told them he wanted to coach again. He's not the groveling type. He's not going to beg for a job. He has self-respect. If you want to fire the guy, then fire him. Don't start interviewing another coach before you fire your current coach. That's all I'm saying.
very sad.....i think the fans, the rockets, and the players will regret this...JVG was a good coach...not his fault what happened..... he won 52 games with an injury plagues team.... Good luck Jeff....you deserve better than what Les gave you..... althought, if they hire anybody, i think adelman is the best candidate out there....but its a downgrade form JVG..... i guess it better than what was out there.....
I booed him from day one. I went to the games in his first season and chanted "FIRE GUNDY". Today I'm saddened he's gone. I wish things had gone differently. It should be the Rockets in the CF not Utah. That's not the way it went. I just hope the next guy puts as much effort as JVG.
I'm sure both of them will be hall of fame players with their next coach There is a reason Bonzi wasn't offered more than the MLE after his playoff series with the Spurs. Funny how people spin it like he did it because he really wanted to play for the Rockets, when the fact is no other contender wanted him.
My argument is that there was nowhere to drive. Yao's there. He draws a lot of attention. Driving into triple teams isn't a sound basketball manuever, especially when you're liable to pass the ball into the second row on the kickout. Like it or not, we're an inside out team and Yao doesn't have the mobility of Duncan to free up room for guys like Parker and Ginobili. I think Rafer is an underrated defender, especially with respect to help defense. He played Deron as well as anyone this year, and was up there in steals. VSpan isn't quite as quick, nor as fundamentally sound; we saw him hustle in the minutes he got, but hustling and playing fundamental defense are two different things. You need both to be a good defender. End result: Span picked up a ton of fouls when he played tight and got burned when he didn't.
Hate to see it. The expectations here are often so ridiculous. Best record in 10 years with a bench that put up a goose egg in a playoff game and everyone wants the little man's head. I must say, the only good thing about him going is that now all the haters will have to shut their pie-holes until they can forget that they ASKED for this to happen and start complaining about the next regime. I wonder how many wins in the regular season it will take for HIM to be accepted. It's hard to imagine a coach getting more out of this team than JVG did. Maybe he didn't do everything perfectly, but he got a lot out of players, who were bright enough and dedicated enough, to perform. We can only hope that isn't something we lose in this decision by Les and management. What makes me a little disappointed is that, my guess is, people on boards such as this one who always find SOMETHING to complain about might be part of the reason he's gone now. I hope that's not the case. I'm not saying it can't improve under another coach, just that I don't think it was time to make that move. I like to think the glass was more than half full... Thanks to JVG for working so hard and for the accomplishments. Some of us will miss you. I hope the players remember what you taught them, especially defensively.... and I hope the fans who wanted this, just like the batallion that wanted Rudy to go (not that many admit it now, but they did, back in the day), remember what they asked for. Let's hope it doesn't turn out to be a trade of winning basketball for a more "entertaining" offense.
The maturation of Stoudemire had nothing to do with putting him in a system that fits him like a T right? Joe Johnson is gone and the Suns are still an elite team...maybe the best in the NBA. Other players have also mysteriously matured under D'Antoni's offense...Boris Diow comes to mind.
how the hell is it a downgrade? look at adelman's resume. dude got artest and bonzi to play ball for him. look at artest under musselman this yr. look at bonzi under JVG this yr. adelman has gone to the finals twice to JVG's once. how the hell is he a downgrade?
Same thing happened when everyone called for Rudy's head, and we got JVG. Adelman will get his turn soon enough.
its not a downgrade or necessarily an upgrade. its marginal in either direction which more or less makes it a sidestep. the problem is still there. Lack of quality players.
I didn't even look at your sig. And I still don't understand the relevance. I agree that players should have given a longer look, but I'm also assuming they didn't show they could handle the ball consistently well enough under pressure. Otherwise there is no way that Head would play backup point. To me, I feel that Alston's extended minutes was more of an indictment of Span and JLIII's incompetence than anything else. The fact is, that under an inside out offense our point guard will never be shooting 5-7 shots per game. Yao gets doubled, Tracy gets doubled, the ball will rotate and the PG will get an open shot AND that's the BEST SHOT that we get that possession! Asking Rafer not to take it will only result in lower percentages, and that's saying something. At that point we're talking Span level shooting percentages. Maybe Span shouldn't have been playing the 2, but when he and JLIII were both out there they were splitting time handling the ball anyway and he was still unimpressive. Too many travels, too many times losing the ball; that's not what a point guard on this team is responsible for doing. Do I think VSpan is a scrub right now? Yeah. But if he improves his jumper, he has a chance at a DECENT NBA career as a borderline starter. No more. He just doesn't have the skillset required.
