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Jeff Van Gundy Dismissed

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by omair, May 18, 2007.

  1. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Sometimes a different coach can get more out of his players than the current one.

    Don Cheney and Rudy T come to mind.

    DD
     
  2. HeyDude

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    A new coach will most definitely get his type of players.
     
  3. Stack24

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    Not only do they get more out of the players, they use them in a different way in their system. The same stuff we say about Boki and any other players that flurish in a new system or a different ont.

    Can you imagine if we had Richard Jefferson right now? would he be playing well in our system? no he wouldn't, neither did Boki. Now we have to see how this new coach is going to use the players and what he expects of them.

    JVG wanted a lot of the players to be spot up 3 point shooters...maybe they can't. In case V-Span, im sure there are coaches that would love to have someone attack the basket like he does all the time. Not saying he is our savior or the answer, but just pointing out that players can be used in a completly different way with different coaches.
     
  4. chinkman85

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    It baffles me how losing 2-0 series leads always comes back to the coach.

    Winning a playoff series after winning the first few games comes down to mental toughness. It comes to the killer instinct, to the absolute desire to rip the opponents' hearts to shreds.

    This team doesn't have that. Battier is to nice, Tmac played like a p***y all 3 games in Utah and Yao was soft throughout except one quarter in game 7. I think you have to look no further than Game 4 and 6 in Utah this year to see the mentality of this team: they folded, pure and simple. Nobody played with any heart.

    The NBA, and especially the Playoffs, are all about personnel and they're all about matchups. We had a 7'6 guy guarding Boozer this year, and two years ago we had Ryan freakin' Bowen guarding Dirk. Now shake your crystal ball and tell me how you expect that to turn out.

    It's one thing if we lose due to unpreparedness, but EVERYONE will tell you that Jeff was the most prepared coach they had ever played for.

    It's another if we lose because Yao can't guard Boozer, Tmac kept leaving Kirilenko for daggers and getting abused by Harpring, and Dirk Nowitzki finally realizing he has maybe fifty million times as much ability as Bowen had hustle.

    If you're going to blame Jeff for losing the lead, you'd better ask yourself: who got us the lead in the first place, and who got us into the playoffs, and whose style got us homecourt advantage and thus a chance to win this year?
     
  5. DonkeyMagic

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    did don have cassell? horry? clyde?

    when will you realize that chuck hayes at starting PF is not good? when luther head is your best bench player...its not good.

    this team needs better players.
     
  6. smeiou78

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    Oh, and thank you for including Luther. He's the future of this organization (scary thought).
     
  7. crash5179

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    That's your oppinion. But if its all the same to you I would much prefer to wait and see instead of taking your JVG doom and gloom aproach to all of this.

    Besides I think Yao and TMac are tailor made for the offense that Aleman used in Sac.
     
  8. DaDakota

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    I can't and won't argue with that....I agree.

    However, I also blame JVG for getting his types of players.

    Specifically for trading away Mike James for Rafer Alston......CD always wanted James, and then when Sura went down it is my belief that JVG panicked thinking about having a loose cannon like James running the point.

    DD
     
  9. verse

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    because they'd rather see nba backup players starting on the rox, chucking up shots in an exciting style! who cares if we'll lose by 10+ points on a nightly basis? it's more fun to watch!!

    :rolleyes:

    the best we can hope for is BALANCE - which is something JVG spoke of frequently. the spurs have that kind of balance, where posting up is a great option, but so is playing open court. we - unfortunately - don't have and never really have had the personnel to do such and remain competitive.
     
  10. chinkman85

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    Don Chaney couldn't do much with Howard Eisley and Shandon Anderson when he coached the Knicks a few years ago. I'm not sure what everyone expected Jeff to do with Steve Novak and Kirk Snyder.

    I'd argue that Eisley and Anderson were better than both are, and you have no idea how painful that is for me to admit. I used to have fond dreams of breaking Eisley's ankles with a baseball bat.
     
  11. crash5179

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    Hmmmm. Seams like we got blown out twice in the series against Utah because our offense was just horrible. Come to think about it our so called great defense was not that good at all in the play-offs this year.
     
  12. smoothie

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    and with JVG if the defense fails we don't have any offense to keep us close. this works both ways.

    the best thing to do is hire an offensive coach because yao and tmac were not paired together in order to play defense.

    adleman and carill will run a beautiful princeton offense. after them, lets hope they hire a good defensive coach to be an assistant like dwane casey, erick mussleman, or even tom thibodeau. finish off the coaching staff with an up and coming coach who can provide some motivation and mental toughness like mario ellie, michael cooper, or bill lambier.
     
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    This guy needs a shrink! I think a lot of people forget that they don't have all the information, i.e. see every practice. I'm sure Spanoulis lights up the entire squad in practice, but just gets to nervous in the games to look like he's even a rec. level player...

    And what was Bonzi's reporting weight this year 270? :rolleyes: Remember Jeff gave him time when T-mac was out, and he didn't perform.

    I wish all of you would hold the players to the same standard as Jeff. With our lack of depth and talent, I'm sure he would have played anything he had if it was there.

     
  14. smeiou78

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    Exactly my point. Our defense failed in the playoffs, so we had nothing to keep us close. Next season, we won't have ANY defense, so if our offense fails, we won't have defense to keep us close.
     
  15. smeiou78

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    It does work both ways, but offense tends to fail more than defense.
     
  16. Amel

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    I just noticed that many people here have a George Bush resemblance

    even tho the war in Iraq is not good, he still sticks to his guns

    thats what you do with Jeffy

    too bad my predictions were on point the past few months

    JVG made Rafer look twice as horrible, he run the same scheme over and over, did not want to adjust to the game, put his ego on top of everything, and kissed ass when appropriate...

    Jeff is gone, so is this horrible time we had to go thru!
     
  17. NewYorker

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    nothing wrong with waiting and seeing...but don't get your hopes up. Unless we hit the FA jackpot, and maybe the lotto jackpot with a remarkable pick, we're not going to be better then last year. Of course, there are certain variables that are independent of coaching and anything else.

    No one knows if Head will take a step forward in his game. No one knows if VSPAN will work on his game this summer and actually be of value (of course if he is, it will get the credit of Rick Adelman and nothing else). Of course on the flip side - Deke and Juwon can only get worse, and Rafer / Shane aren't going to get any better. Hayes should improve a bit. That's it.

    Yao was tailor made for no one. He doesn't fit into any class of centers prior to him ever.
     
  18. HeyDude

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    Here's to hoping adleman's defense is better than JVG's offense ;)
     
  19. smeiou78

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    Very true.
     
  20. smeiou78

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    Yes. Please. :(
     

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