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Jeff, please stay!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by BigEleven, May 8, 2007.

  1. BrieflySpeaking

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    oh no, please dont stay, pleaseee
     
  2. HeyDude

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    This is quite ignorant. We went 20-11 when Yao was out.....Did you actually think we could've won more if Yao played? ok, maybe 2 more games.....thats still only 54......sure, JVG did a good job for those 31 games.......all for what??? 1st round exit to a mediocre team means bye bye....he does anything BUT rock
     
  3. rlmjdime

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    Exactly. JVG does not properly utilize Yao and Tracy. We are a boring team with the same 3 basic plays with a few differentiations here and there. Yao is predictable b/c the plays are set up to be that way. You only have so many options when you except the ball in the deep post. This is the second time in three season we've had the first round exit. The first, although painful, was easier to except. This was a year we were built to go deep. JVG not developing talent is what kept us from going deep. I hate bonzi now, but if there was another coach at the helm what bonzi would we have seen? Can everyone honestly be ignorant and say he would not have helped this team. Leave.
     
  4. ROXTXIA

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    This is kinda like a relationship. You're afraid to leave even though you know it isn't working out. You know something better is out there but what if you fooled yourself and wind up with a worse lemon than the one before?

    JVG will really have to change some things about himself if he wants to stay. But will he suddenly actually develop young players? Will he understand that too much loyalty can be a bad thing? Will he call Webster and get his picture yanked from where it now resides (next to "hidebound")?
     
  5. Rockets64

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    Actually, your post is the ignorant one. You don't magically start winning games when you lose a dominant force like Yao. We continued to win because T-Mac got the Patterson treatment and started playing like the Orlando T-Mac. How convenient of you to not mention that. The timing of T-Mac getting the treatment right when Yao gets hurt was a coincidence. J-Ho and Mutombo also stepped up big time.

    Imagine if T-Mac was healthy all year, and Yao never had to deal with the leg injury, a dislocated finger, and a re-aggravation of the toe injury. You're telling me we'd only be 2 games better?! Please, now that's what I would call ignorant.

    And despite these injuries, JVG helped us win 52 games and steal HCA from the Jazz. That's why he rocks.

    Did you just call the Utah Jazz "mediocre"? That's not ignorant, that's just plain moronic. You pretty much lost your credibility with that statement.
     
  6. vlaurelio

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    HCA is nothing if you can't protect home court
     
  7. GATER

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    Rudy Tomjanovich wasn't even a freakin' coach when the Rockets hired him. They won back to back championships with a guy whose experience level was as a damned SCOUT!!!

    Case closed.
     
  8. BigEleven

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    That is what Jeff said as well. Rockets tried so hard to get HCA because they knew without it, their chance to beat Jazz would be very slim. Rockets protected their home court pretty well except not getting home court calls from the refs.

     
  9. couch_pot8o

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    The only time I would like to see a sentence that has both "jeff van gundy" and "please stay" is if its written this way, Jeff Van Gundy, please stay AWAY from the Rockets! Your time is done! We appreciate everything you did for the team but it's not enough.
     
  10. BigEleven

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    But he had a much better squad as well. Not that many coaches could have done better with the current Rockets roster than Jeff.

     
  11. blazer_ben

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    It was McGrady who saved our bums when yao was injured.
     
  12. Sishir Chang

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    That's the feeling I get out of those wanting JVG to stay. We've seen what JVG can do but I fear this might be the best we can expect from him. He's built up a good system but he can't seem to adjust when he needs to and further can't seem to motivate the players to execute it well consistently especially when the pressure is on. Jerry Sloan is a systems coach but somehow he motivated the Jazz to play consistently and aggressively when needed. Now you can put that on the players but part of the coach's responsiblility is to motivate the players.

    JVG is a good coach and can probably keep the Rockets competitive the question is can he make the Rockets great? I don't know and while another coach might possibly be worse that might be a risk worth taking to get the Rox to the next round.
     
  13. Rockets64

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    Nope. JVG did enough. What we didn't get enough of was contributions from the PF spot offensively and ESPECIALLY defensively. Why do you think Yao was forced to guard Boozer in the first place? We also had no one to back up Alston. We also had no true play-making SG. T-Mac was listed as a SG, but he's a true SF (a point forward really). The closest SG we had was Head, and well... that's pretty crappy. Francis/James looks pretty good right about now.
     
  14. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Gater, I think when Rudy was hired he was a bench coach. He had been a scout.....how would we look it up?

    DD
     
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    How so. If they dont make the finals, isnt it all a waste? Or at least win a series in the playoffs
     
  16. BigEleven

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    It takes five. All right? And it was the coach who organized these five. A great young TMAC could not save the Magic, a MJ-like Kobe Bryan could not save the Lakers.

    TMAC played greatly when Yao fell down. But he was never close to the TMAC that played in Orlando.

     
  17. YnMDynasty

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    Yeah, that's it!!! Please go, far far away from Houston!!!
     
  18. couch_pot8o

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    I do agree on you with how we are lacking some depth and firepower on the pf and the sg spots but come on, this team imho underachieved. They could've at least made it to the second round with this squad. Jvg lacks offensive creativity and I do agree on what yao supposedly said that this team's offense is too one dimensional. You can somewhat predict how the offense will be run. Jvg was simply out-coached by sloan. I think if we get someone like adelman to coach and if we can get more depth in the pf and sg then this team will go to distance. And your right, sf3 sounds good right about now. Too risky but I'd take it.
     
  19. Deckard

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    Man, I found this online. Interesting, but like you, I'm waiting for the real scoop, because I can't remember!


    Ask a football coach what the weather's like and he's likely to reply, "Can't tell you 'til I've watched the film." Basketball has never been quite like that, at least not beyond a few football-influenced coaches like Michigan State's Tom Izzo and Texas Tech's Bob Knight, who once famously said, "The box score accuses. The videotape indicts." Video was slow to come to basketball, according to Randy Eccker of XOS Technologies, which supplies digital editing systems to 28 of the NBA's 30 teams, "because basketball is seen as being all about flow and making decisions on the fly." Then two things happened.

    The first occurred in 1983, when Rudy Tomjanovich joined Bill Fitch's staff in Houston a couple of years after being slugged into retirement by Kermit Washington's punch. Fitch, known then as Captain Video for his devotion to film, was far too hard-boiled to simply hand Rudy T a sympathy sinecure. If the former Rockets star wanted to be an assistant, he'd make his bones with grunt work -- and given the technology of that time, there was nothing more tedious than breaking down film. Tomjanovich spent two years pushing tape, which had only just moved from 16mm to VHS, and people around the league took notice. That a former NBA great would hole up in the Cave gave video work respectability.


    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/the_bonus/04/18/nba.video/1.html


    He had to be a bench coach, DD. I'm having a brain fart, I guess. Amazing how little info about that part of his career is available on Google.

    [​IMG]
     
  20. Amel

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    fact is

    rookie posters support JVG

    fact is, senior members, that have been here for a while, want him to go

    another fact is that those people who have been here since 99 are deep rockets fans and they know whats up...its time for gundy to go...
     

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