Hope the 41.7% mark is as good a sign as some say it is. Any "Hall of Fame" that doesn't have the 2nd best NL first baseman of all time in it isn't a "hall of fame". I'm with the other poster: Larkin and Bags should be in, period.
And people say the baseball HoF is the best out of the sports? Voters brought this upon themselves with their ****ing politics and bias.
I understand that Bagwell's not in because of all the steroid accusers, but why the heck isn't Larkin in the hall? There's so many a$$holes that need their vote taken away.
And Tim Raines too. Although I generally like Charlie Pallilo, but he's a real tool on the Bagwell/Steroids thing.
Oh, you mean the Mitchell Report? Wait, he wasn't mentioned there. Oh, you mean all of the players who have accused him? Wait, that never happened either. So uh, WTF are you talking about exactly?
The idea that there are no whispers about Bagwell is ridiculous. Bagwell was fortunate to play here in Houston where the media is a joke so his name wasn't put out there publicly, but other writers have said they've heard things. I heard Dan Graziano on the radio this morning (Matt & Adam) and his justification of why he didn't vote for Bagwell was perfectly reasonable.
that guy was a tool. face it, voters have to much power. and alot of them are vindictive old bastards. also, can someone explain to me how a guy isn't a half of famer during 1st year of eligibility but is on their 10th or 14th or whatever year? do the numbers get better 20 years after they played? it's ridiculous
are you kidding me? playing in houston was fortunate?!? if baggy or biggio play in the east coast market they would be in the half of fame during their careers.
If Bagwell had his career in Yankee pinstripes, he'd be a first ballot HOF'er. I have no doubt of that.
Didn't listen to the interview but have read his article on the matter. IF they are consistent then I completely disagree with his view. He is completely assuming something that has ZERO merit and bunching Baggy in with KNOWN users because he "thinks" Baggy used. He might have heard whispers but until now NOTHING has ever been proven, no lists or convictions and even admits that it's unfair but for Baggy to blame McGwire, Bonds and Clemens. He also finds him guilty by association, how is that his fault? His basic argument is he rather screw over Baggy then find out some users got in after the fact...not right IMHO.
Clemens played in the pinstripes and all signs point to him not making it. Piazza played for the Mets (East Coast team) and there is talk he won't make it at first either. Despite East Coast writers voting for him, Don Mattingly has never gotten close to HOF election. (Because he doesn't deserve it) Biggio will get in first ballot because he got a magic number (3000 hits). Bagwell has the steroid cloud around him and that hurt him. Edit: Furthermore Max, can you point me to a player on the Yankees that made the HOF on the first ballot that you feel shouldn't have?
Clemens won't get in because there is very strong evidence he used. Because he made an ass of himself in that arena. He burned all bridges. Piazza wasn't the player Bagwell was. We'll see if he gets in or not. Please don't mention Mattingly in the same breath as Bagwell again. Please I stand by my point...with Bagwell's numbers...had he played in Yankee pinstripes...he'd be in the HOF after yesterday's vote.
A lot of people like to pretend this story never came out: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...sources_kelly_blair_made_boasts_about_ju.html
Here is he list of First Ballot Hall of Famers, Yankees bolded: Bob Feller 1962 Jackie Robinson 1962 Ted Williams 1966 Stan Musial 1969 Sandy Koufax 1972 Warren Spahn 1973 Mickey Mantle 1974 Ernie Banks 1977 Willie Mays 1979 Al Kaline 1980 Bob Gibson 1981 Hank Aaron 1982 Frank Robinson 1982 Brooks Robinson 1983 Lou Brock 1985 Willie McCovey 1986 Willie Stargell 1988 Johnny Bench 1989 Carl Yastrzemski 1989 Joe Morgan 1990 Jim Palmer 1990 Rod Carew 1991 Tom Seaver 1992 Reggie Jackson 1993 Steve Carlton 1994 Mike Schmidt 1995 George Brett 1999 Nolan Ryan 1999 Robin Yount 1999 Kirby Puckett 2001 Dave Winfield 2001 Ozzie Smith 2002 Eddie Murray 2003 Dennis Eckersley 2004 Paul Molitor 2004 Wade Boggs 2005 (Though he hardly should qualify) Tony Gwynn 2007 Cal Ripken, Jr. 2007 Rickey Henderson 2009
Fantastic story, tons of evidence convicting Baggy. Kelly Blair is such a credible source along with the mystery "source" that saw the transactions. I pretend it never came out because I give it ZERO merit. Considering almost no one followed up on the report, I figure a lot of people feel the same way.
Blair's story has changed so many times it's ridiculous. What he said then was different than what he said to a grand jury which was different than what he said to the media later. The fact his name didn't appear in the Mitchell Report is enough....that was the most aggressive investigation into steroids in baseball...and his name wasn't on the list. He ultimately denied selling directly to either Roger or Andy, and said he hadn't dealt steroids since he was 19 years old. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4330768
You're right he wasn't. Considering he played catcher, he was better. Consider the context of what I said. Not comparing them as players, just dismissing the idea that the New York media can control who gets elected.
Hardly. The Mitchell Report got information from such a small section of sources that a lack of inclusion on that list means nothing. Edit: Also, please view the list of first ballot hall of famers and tell me which Yankees you think made it as a result of playing in New York vs their actual achievements. I look at that list and I see small market teams, big market teams, midwest teams, east coast teams, and west coast teams represented equally.
Do you really want me to pull the numbers on Bagwell vs. Piazza? Really? And because Piazza played catcher poorly and Bagwell played 1B great, I don't really care about that distinction. I didn't say the NY media controlled who got in. I just said that if Bagwell had put up the same numbers for the Yanks that he put up for the 'stros, he'd be in the HOF today.
