Jaylen Brown’s Value Is A All Time Low, We Need To Trade For Him Now!

Kawhi in his prime was a more efficient scorer, a better defensive player, and a better passer than Brown. Kawhi's worst seasons were still more productive per minute on the floor than Brown's best. They are not comparable players. Brown is closer to a guy like Joe Johnson (once you adjust for scoring era).

 

Option C:

Trades are not a yes/no thing without knowing what's in the trade

 

Even that is not worth it, unless it’s sign and trade. Right now he is a rental

 

That’s very unfair to associate 20+ years in the league to nepotism. Plenty of coach’s sons that didn’t cut it in the league. Silas was a bad HC, but he also had the organization deliberately holding him and the team back for a chance at Wemby. And being a bad HC does not mean you were a bad AC. They require different skill sets.

Silas’ experience as AC is unequivocally as valid as Udoka’s.

edit: you did say “entrance” but still, he clearly proved he was capable as an AC with that many years of experience.

 

Go get him! Trade them Tate garuba martin 4 th pick and 3 nets picks ..ppl treating him like Dillon Brooks lol

 

Kelly Iko burner account?

 

Not sure if people realize this or not, but Jalen Brown isn't really a good defender. At one point he was pretty good, but that's no longer the case.

 

As is the case with most young good defenders who level up as primary offensive options outside of rare cases like Kawhi but that dude has to take half season breaks to play at that level.

 

as a cal alum i've disliked brown since his one season there. he carries an arrogance both on and off court which doesn't fit his beta game. don't want his grouchy ass on our roster unless it's for a heavy sweetheart deal

 

Agreed it happens a lot with good-not-great wings. I just think we should keep in mind how many weak defenders we plan to play. Green and Sengun, both weak. KPJ - bad. Harden? Terrible. Brown? Ok, at best. Jabari should be pretty good but was more often bad last year.

 

Well looking at it from this angle then Curry is only 3x champ because the Cavs were missing two of their big 3 in 15' Finals, Giannis only advanced to Finals because basically the Nets two of their big 3 were injured/played hurt

And Wilt should have 3 rings because they were up 3-1 against Celtics until the injury bug took out 3 of their key pieces in that series

So they are not the actual champs that year, only by default because the teams were not equally matched health wise

 

His reputation exceeds his skills. He's fine but he's not like all-defensive or anything. Same story with his scoring efficiency--above average but not anywhere near elite (106th in the league in true shooting percentage). Not a good passer/playmaker.

Why exactly did this guy make second team all-NBA again?

(Rhetorical question, I know why he did and I'm not surprised, media loves the Celtics, overrates points per game as a stat, and loves to reward players on top teams.)

I stand by my view that he's around the 25th-30th best player in the league. If you replaced Green with him in the lineup this past season we still wouldn't have made the play-in.

 

I used to be on the side that wanted him but diving deeper into his stats...A 3.5 to 2.9 turnover ratio...33% 3PT shooting. Definitely not a super-max player. Celtics will regret it if they give him that contract.

 

Bill Simmons and The Ringer were gatekeeping votes.

 

Like I said, Jalen Green who doesn't have a player like Tatum to offload the ball to for easy assists has a better assist to turnover ratio as a 20 year old sophomore. Transplant him in a more competent system and his assists go up so that ratio for Green is in the worst possible situation for a young guard.

If we get star vets I want someone who has less tunnel vision that our 20 year old scoring guard who everyone says here has tunnel vision.

At least on the offensive side, at this point it would be a disappointment if Green doesn't clear Brown as a offensive weapon in the next two seasons.

 

Well then Bill Simmons ****ed his franchise over by now forcing the Celtics to pay him the supermax if they want to keep him which I'm pretty sure Simmons is regretting now.

 

It's hard not to be disappointed in how all the Rockets looked these past three seasons. Maybe Green becomes better than Brown, but maybe he doesn't. Just because Green "works really on his game and body" doesn't mean he will get into the top 25 of the NBA.

And despite that, Brown is still night and day better according to the advanced stats like WS and VORP. No doubt Brown isn't a great ball handler but he also got stiches in his hand before the playoffs so that probably factored some. Green has been bad, and it's not debatable but he's very young so there is hope.

I prefer a bird in the hand over two in the bush. That's certainly you prerogative to bet on Green over Brown, but there is no guarantees Green will ever get to Brown's level. Most of the stars that are going to be available this offseason of the Browns and KATs..... which are still very good players but we've been spoiled by prime Harden so we forget this is how most teams' best players are.

 

And from the prior two seasons, he has averaged 40% and 36% from 3 on +7 attempts and before that he was 38% on 5.9 attempts. I think his ball handling is the biggest issue. He was injured this playoffs and just had an overall bad playoffs, especially in the Miami series.

But you aren't trading for Brown and then paying him only to expect him to solve of your issues.

 

Who would have thought that someone on a team with 50+ wins would have higher winshares and VORP. How would winshares and VORP be effected by having 19 year old teammates run into each other in half court sets because it's the blind leading the blind?

You understand the concept of covariance?

I didn't make a peep about Green "working really hard on his game". I'm referring to reasonable natural progression. Yes I'm certain that Green can be a better offensive player than someone who had a assist to turnover ratio less than one while barely being more efficient scoring wise than Green on a role player shot diet at Green's and years later after developing still has a worse assist to turnover ratio than Green while playing on a much more experienced team full of more competent players which makes recording assists easier.

 

If you are trading one of your core pieces you have for him that you invested a second pick overall over then yes you are asking him to be the savior of the franchise.