NBATalk.com is currently running a poll asking the visitors to vote for the guy they think will be the biggest bust of the 2000 NBA draft. Jason Collier currently has the lead with 28%. So, if you think that Collier is the biggest mistake the Rockets have ever made or if you are a believer go on and see what you can do to support your opinion. What did I do? I voted for Collier. Sorry, guys, but I have my doubts. This is not to say that I don't think he could do something...evetually. ------------------ Nederland 2002 Qualifying Campaign (Damn those penalties!!!) The Space Center is back on track. Click to read Shandon Anderson's player profile. [This message has been edited by Ace (edited October 23, 2000).]
I believe that Jason Collier will not be a bust. Actually, I think he will be Mr. Quality minutes this coming season averaging 3 pts and 3 rebounds in in 3 minutes of play...which is during garbage time. ------------------ President of the Sir Charles Barkley Fan Club
The upside for Collier has obvious limits but it's alittle early to be calling him the biggest bust of the first round. His main value, other than a big body to throw out there, is a sweet shot to 15 feet. He was hurt at the Review and is playing nervous now, as might be expected. But lets let him get his feet under him, get some PT, relax and see if that shot doesnt start to fall. If that happens, he will add a nice additional dimension to the team. Another variable for Rudy to employ to put pressure on opponents. Hopefully, down the line, he will pick up his defensive and rebounding intensity. Anyway, it strikes me that there is an obvious ceiling for Collier. But 7 footers with a sweet outside shot dont grow on trees. So lets give him a chance before labeling him a bust. He was not a lottery pick. We should not expect him to play like one. [This message has been edited by Joe Fan (edited October 23, 2000).]
This was never supposed to be a debate about whether or not Collier has a chance to succeed in the NBA. I realize that he has some positive traits, and that he has shown that he could be valuable force for the Rockets. The questions posed by NBATALK asks us who we think is most likely to be a bust. If you absolutely have to put your money on one of those guys, who would it be? My guess is that you would pick Collier. Although "other" doesn't seem to be a bad choice either. ------------------ Nederland 2002 Qualifying Campaign (Damn those penalties!!!) The Space Center is back on track. Click to read Shandon Anderson's player profile. [This message has been edited by Ace (edited October 23, 2000).]
Collier got my vote on this poll. Man, next time we have a lottery pick just say the words Jason Collier and that will bring me back down to earth in a hurry. ------------------ Titan's fanatic!!!! It was the first time the Titans sent an offense to the line of scrimmage with Eddie George in the backfield behind McNair to go with Wycheck at tight end and Carl Pickens, Kevin Dyson and Yancey Thigpen at wide receiver. So many choices, with a full season still ahead. "I think that might be scary for a defense," Dyson said.
I voted for the ever popular other. Honestly, I think it's too early to talk about who will be busts, but if I had to pick one player in the top 15 who I think it will be- I'd pick Pryzbilla. KidRock- Maybe we do actually agree on something. I would take Mihm over Collier (and a lot of other top 15 picks too). But I woudn't pick Pryzbilla over Collier as you had been arguing... ------------------ President of the Jason Collier police! Looking for next year's Dan Langhi? Draftsource.net ClutchTown.com
How many players do they have on their poll? I mean, I'm not sure how much people can or should expect from a 15th pick. ------------------ When you make an assumption, you make an ass out of yourself and umption. visit www.swirve.com
It was Dermarr J.,Mihm,Crawford,Dooling,Moiso and Collier. It's funny how Collier is the only player who wasn't taken in the lottery.Nba talk has obviously been to ClutchCity. ------------------
Joe Fan has sparked another issue that must be made clear before we go on with any further arguments. Before we say if he'll be a bust, we have to decide what we mean by the word. In other words, what type of a performance should we expect from a #15 pick and at what level below this standard do we have the right to call him a failure? To me, almost every player that is selected in the first round of the NBA Draft comes in with certain expectations, whether they come from the team or the player himself. Without a doubt, a team selects the player with the idea that he has a chance to become a solid, if not spectacular, professional NBA player. The player probably has higher aspirations, and wishes to stamp his name in the history books or at least have a relatively successful tenure in the NBA. So, if a player doesn’t meet these expectations, is he a bust? Not quite, IMO. I think a player has room to perform a tad under the given expectations (or should they be called well founded hopes?), but a certain minimum has to be achieved to have the player avert the ‘bust’ label. The thing that confuses most is the fact that most first round selections don’t have successful careers. Most are out of the NBA after a few years. So, if the player is able to hang around without much production, is he a bust? I think he is, and so is every other player that was unable to stay in the NBA. I guess according to my definition, there are probably more busts than there are successes. This is a quality that I believe is very much a part of the NBA draft. When do we bring out our yardstick? I think that after 3-4 years we have the absolute right to call a player a bust if we are to go by my notion of the idea. The first year could always be the time a player needs to adjust. The second year could simply be a sign of an extended learning curve. We’ve all seen that players can explode after a few years, specially seeing the amount that come straight out of high school (if this number increases even further, the 3-4 years should be extended to 4-5). Some examples: Tracy McGrady Austin Croshere Jalen Rose So, we can obviously not call Jason a bust just yet, and we also have to take into account that he was selected with the 15th pick, as opposed to the other lottery picks NBTALK has included in their poll. However, I do believe that I am right with having the thought that Collier is the player most likely not to meet any such standards as mentioned earlier. Again, this is not to say that I have not seen anything positive coming from him. Final Note: The NBA has its strange ways sometimes. If we go by the history of the past 20 years, #11 picks should have high expectations. #11s have given more All-Stars than picks 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10. In addition, 16 players who are former #11 picks still play in the NBA. This is more than any other lottery selection. ------------------ Nederland 2002 Qualifying Campaign (Damn those penalties!!!) Houston Rockets Space Center- Not just another ClutchCity.NET clone. We're that and more!
ill sum this whole thread with just this... what is collier?? dude = bust ------------------ "Man, it's cool. I'm going to be president. That's Wicked." -George W. Bush, SNL
Holden, Care to post in The Cat's thread? ------------------ Nederland 2002 Qualifying Campaign (Damn those penalties!!!) Houston Rockets Space Center- Not just another ClutchCity.NET clone. We're that and more!
