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Jarrett Allen, the Rocket who isn't

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by topfive, Jan 14, 2021.

  1. Icehouse

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    In the East, that’s not really true. Especially making it as an injury replacement.
     
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  2. D-rock

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    Weak is not seeing it yourself.

    And then pandering for information that you really do not want unless to ridicule.

    But if you are serious and sincere, it's all there in the archives.

    Look it up.
     
  3. gmoney411

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    You are projecting. I haven't been ridiculing anybody's position. There is no for sure right answer. I'm genuinely curious what your plan would be. If I didn't agree with it I would comment but I might agree with some or all of it.
     
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    This did not age well. Allen looks good next to Mobley but I'm not interested in retaining Wood anymore.
     
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    lol role player my ass
     
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    How Jarrett Allen Established Himself as One of the Best Defenders in the League
    https://www.slamonline.com/the-magazine/jarrett-allen-all-star-vol-2/

     
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  8. D-rock

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    Morey and Rockets analytics identified JA as Capela replacement in 2018 and tried hard to trade for him.

    Stone had this info but chose to ignore the analytics team, same as he did when chose not to draft Mobley.
     
  9. YOLO

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    It's not 100 but the rockets pay "that guy" wall $91 million to not even play. I guess if you want to be specific the rockets will pay Wall $130 million in 3 years while being the worst team in the league

    paying JA $20 mil per is absolutely not the worst thing and is without a doubt fair value for a full time all star starting big who is still extremely young. They paid sorry players like Theis and Nwaba to do next to nothing
     
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  10. SamFisher

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    Gosh i wish we had kept Allen and won a few more games and then Mobley would have gone to OKC and we'd be much better off with... Sengun as 3rd string center behind Wood and Allen (or more likely, josh Christopher or some other guard as our sole reward for a lottery season)
     
  11. D-rock

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    Or kept Jarrett Allen AND played him AND still picked top 3.

    Just like Cavs did.

    Facts matter.
     
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  12. Icehouse

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    The Cavs were in the 5 hole, after losing a coin flip to OKC. Facts matter. Planning to keep your top 4 pick by having the 5th best odds or worse is pretty dumb. The Cavs got lucky. The Rockets were trying to increase their odds.

    And since you seem to realize that facts matter, you may want to stop ignoring that the Pacers won more games with LeVert on the floor (18) than we did all season. Facts matter, right?
     
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  13. SamFisher

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    So basically Jarrett Allen is both the key to a maximized loss lottery season AND the key to avoiding one at the same time and this was all obvious in the data in January 2021 and if only they'd have held on to him and somehow convinced ultra cheap owner to hand him 8 or 9 figures after a lottery season.

    We're into Schrodinger stuff.
     
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  14. Icehouse

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    You're slipping. Held onto him and managed to lose the coinflip, because winning the coinflip has our pick 6th, and headed to OKC. Or we coulda doubled down on the brilliant strategy of giving ourselves worse odds to secure a top 4 pick by finishing with the 7th best odds like Toronto did, and got luck to wind up 4th.

    Actually, I have no idea why we are tanking this season. We should finish 14th and hope to win the lotto. That's logical.
     
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    It's not as complicated as you think.

    Rockets play a 5 out system under Silas. JA would not be effective in a 5 out system.

    Silas, rookie HC, last season showed he was unable to adjust his scheme with any kind of speed or efficiency so Silas would have waited until offseason to better utilize a player like JA.

    This was not just evident last season when he first missed then lost Harden then most of his starters due to injuries (in fact the most injuries in history of franchise) but on exhibition when Silas continued to play Theis as starter even when analytics and eye test was hammering him over the head about the foohardiness of that particular starting lineup.

    Last season the combination of load management of key starters as well as sustained injuries to key players like Wall, Dipo, EGo, Wood, etc. led to extended minutes for NBA luminaries at center position like Ray Spalding, Justin Patton, DJ Wilson, Rodions Kurucs and a crippled Boogie Cousins.

    It was this historic torrent of injuries that Rockets actually discovered and accelerated the development of young talent like Tate, Sterling Brown, Scoot, KJ, Armoni Brooks, etc.

    And even when a minor gift was dropped in their laps, like Olynyk, neither Stone nor Silas were able to maximize it.

    Further, Silas over reliance on such inefficient players like House, Avery Bradley and even Nwaba would have guaranteed a poor 2020-2021 season in addition to the never ending injuries, poor rotations, inability to adjust with any kind of expediency as well as inability to fit players to system/system to players.

    So yes, the data was obvious which was collected and analyzed even prior to January 2021, back when Morey was with Rockets.

    But the FO and HC have shown that even with obvious clear data, they will find a way to fvck it up.
     
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  16. YOLO

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    me either. Because they're not tanking. They just actually suck still just like last year. Being this bad and losing takes care of itself. "Tanking" is just the lame word version of not realizing the rockets now actually suck and have since last year.
     
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    Lol the team that has Allen also has Mobley. Reality is hard sometimes.
     
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  19. D-rock

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    LeVert would not have added more wins to that pissant of a Rockets team last season.

    Even Wood who was playing at MIP and even All Star consideration did not elevate the Rockets anywhere close to a winning team.

    Facts matter.
     
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    Response via memes is usually the last resort of the simple minded.

    Perhaps I was wrong, something this obvious is too complicated for you.
     

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