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Jarred Cosart (tracking starts)

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by the shark, Jul 29, 2013.

  1. msn

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    speaking of which, Cosart's WHIP isn't as impressive as some of his other stats.

    I'm no stat guru, to understate things. I hear folks mention "peripheral numbers" which seem to pretty often indicate when there are statistical outliers. What "peripheral numbers" are applicable to a pitcher, and how is Cosart looking there so far?
     
  2. juicystream

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    BB/9
    K/9
    K/BB
    GB/FB ratio

    At this point, the walks have been far too often, and the strikeouts less frequent than they should be. Advanced stats will tell you he is more lucky than good with a low BABIP against and a high strand rate.
     
  3. msn

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    Thanks. I was wondering if that would be the case just based on his high WHIP. Here's hoping he improves those peripherals!
     
  4. juicystream

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    So far only the BBs really concern me towards the future. The strikeouts will come. The BABIP will probably continue to regress, but a decrease in BBs will balance that out.
     
  5. BimaThug

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    Yeah, those BBs are keeping Cosart from getting very deep into games, as his pitch count quickly gets pretty high by the 4th or 5th inning. If he could just go an extra inning or two, there would be less chance that the bullpen (yet again) blows a lead after he leaves the game.
     
  6. Nook

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    The raw stuff is there, big leaguers simply do not consistently good cuts against him. However I expect him to come crashing back to earth because he has poor control and only so so command. Right now he is a thrower and not a pitcher.
     
  7. tellitlikeitis

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    5 IP, 2 H, R (unearned), 6 BB, 3 K, 91 pitches (48 strikes)

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Astros are shutting down Jarred Cosart. Tonight was final start.</p>&mdash; Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) <a href="https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/statuses/377307465424965632">September 10, 2013</a></blockquote>
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    So... with that, Jarred Cosart finishes 1-1 with a 1.95 ERA in 10 starts. In 60 innings, he allowed 15 runs (13 earned) on 46 hits (3 homers), walked 35, and struck out 33. He had a WHIP of 1.35, and opponents hit .220 off of him.

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  8. juicystream

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    Hopefully he can start next season fresh and improve. A cutter like his will be very nice to have at the top of the rotation, and he will be there if he can cut his walks down. Doesn't have to be Greg Maddux, just can't be Wild Thing.
     
  9. the shark

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    Here's what he did for the season:

    7/12 @TB 8.0 IP 2 hits 0 runs 0 ER 3 BB 2 Ks 0.00 era (1-0)

    7/23 OAK 7.0 IP 7 hits 1 run 1 ER 3 BB 4 Ks 0.60 era (1-0) ND

    7/28 @TOR 6.0 IP 4 hits 1 run 1 ER 5 BB 1 K 0.86 era (1-0) ND

    8/2 @MIN 7.0 IP 5 hits 1 run 1 ER 1 BB 4 Ks 0.96 era (1-0) ND

    8/7 BOS 5.0 IP 7 hits 2 runs 2 ER 5 BB 3 Ks 1.36 era (1-0) ND

    8/14 @OAK 6.0 IP 3 hits 0 runs 0 ER 1 BB 4 Ks 1.15 era (1-0) ND

    8/20 @TEX 6.0 IP 4 hits 3 runs 3 ER 3 BB 3 Ks 1.60 era (1-1)

    8/28 @CHI 6.0 IP 7 hits 1 run 1 ER 5 BB 4 Ks 1.59 era (1-1) ND

    9/3 MIN 4.0 IP 5 hits 4 runs 4 ER 3 BB 5 Ks 2.13 era (1-1) ND

    9/9 @SEA 5.0 IP 2 hits 1 run 0 ER 6 BB 3 Ks 1.95 era (1-1) ND


    Pretty damn IMPRESSIVE to start off his career.
     
  10. Joe Joe

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    Miami goes on three game losing streak. Cosart shut down for hitting inning ceiling.
     
  11. Air Langhi

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    It seems like he got very lucky. His location is just not good. If you put that many men on base you are bound to give up runs and not go deep into games.
     
  12. Nook

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    Yup..... his ERA could have just as easily been close to 5.00...

    The good news is that his stuff is legit, he was not hit hard at all, but you cannot keep walking players like he does, and have a low strikeout rate and survive long term.

    I think he is going to be an all or nothing player. Either he cuts his walks way down and becomes a #1-2 long term starting pitcher, or he doesnt and turns into Tim Redding.
     
  13. conquistador#11

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    air, you've jinxed so many of our astros player so you saying he has gotten lucky means he will a hof. :p
     
  14. Air Langhi

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    I was high on JD Martinez who else?
     
  15. the shark

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    can spin these stats any way you want.

    What I see is someone who can work himself out of jams without giving up many runs. He's obviously got good stuff, and he's tough to string a bunch of hits together.

    Most young pitchers don't have the stuff NOR the mental aptitude to pitch out jams. Don't forget that these were his first 10 gms pitching at this level as well. He also had some solid to damn good outings against teams that are in the playoff hunt (TB, BOS, TEX & OAK (2 gms).

    Seven of his ten starts were also on the road.
    It's also not like he has a great fielding team around him as well.
    We also didn't score a lot of runs for him either.

    I think he has a nice future ahead of him.
    How many kids have an era under 2.00 their first 10 games in the show?
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/WhoseHouse2013">@WhoseHouse2013</a> not quite half chief but close. We won too! How's my other numbers look? Oh yea shhhh</p>&mdash; Jarred Cosart (@JarredCosart) <a href="https://twitter.com/JarredCosart/statuses/377477606008193024">September 10, 2013</a></blockquote>
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  17. MadMax

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    He's a competitor, and i freaking love that. Been a long time since I cared this much about a particular Astro. Probably since Biggio.
     
  18. conquistador#11

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    lol a little johnny be news in Jarred =)
     

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