Don't act tough behind a keyboard. Nobody cares. Go out and start a petition, to call Germans to worship Hitler all you want. To tell Jewish people to "screw 'em" if they are unhappy with your petition. It's funny how you mentioned "dignity", "hatred", "wiser", "move on", or "learn to get along" in the same post, because the only thing you show in your posts are ignorance and hatred. If you want to "slap the **** out of" your g/f, or get slapped, it's your business, nobody gives a damn. Stop telling people what they ARE ALLOWED to be upset about.
From the same page, "Total Chinese losses are difficult to estimate due to the fact that there was no census of the population taken prior to the war. Sources that range from 10.6 to 37 million total Chinese war dead were cited by R. J. Rummel [5,Table 5A]. His estimate of total war dead from 1937-45 is 19,605,000. " Nobody claims it's exact 30 million.
I'm not Suggesting or talking about the Peoples republic of China's army here. that's a different topic. i'm just saying that this is a genocide of humongus magnatiude. BTW, i was'nt trying to belittle chairman mao whatsoever. i just so a poster say that Chairman mao killed or was Resposible for the death of a 100 million chineese humanbeings. i just thought thats a staggaring figure. Thanks to WNES and real_eagle i got my answer. i hope i did'nt offend any of our chineese members. that was not my intention.
NewYorker, if you look at the war between China and Japan, it lasted, roughly, between 1937-45. Since we're using Wikipedia, I'll toss in their statistics: The Chinese lost approximately 3.22 million soldiers. 9.13 million civilians died in the crossfire, and another 8.4 million as non-military casualties. Some Chinese historians claimed the total military and non-military deaths of the Chinese were at most 35 million. Most Western historians believed that the casualties were at least 20 million. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War#Chinese_casualties If I were Chinese, I would consider the entire conflict with Japan a "war crime." The casualties were horrific. One may split hairs as to what constitutes a war crime, but those who died didn't worry about the definitions. There is ample reason for China, not to mention other nations assaulted during the era, as well as the Western colonial powers who suffered from the war, to expect an honest Japanese accounting of what went on, in my opinion. They haven't been getting one. Keep D&D Civil.
I'm much more concerned with the fact that Japanese scientists placed explosives in Loch Ness in an attempt to blow Nessie out of the water.
That would be interesting to know. My father saw combat in the Pacific against the Japanese in a bloody scrape, and my uncle saw combat against the Chinese as an officer in the Marines at Chosin Reservoir, being among those who fought their way out. Both conflicts have always been an interest of mine, and after all this time, I find there are still new things to discover. Keep D&D Civil.
A quick comparison between "commi" version and Western version: 1. Result is similar - nobody wins, cease fire after enough killing 2. Numbers of lost lives are similar 3. The cause of the war? - Chinese version: Kim and Lee got into fight, Kim beat the crap out of Lee, US chimed in, beat the crap out of Kim. Chinese chimed in to prevent the war extended to China, or support communist brothers and defeat imperialism evils. Are there fabrications? Absolutely. Was there denial of war crimes? Not that i am aware of. One thing though, there wasn't a single war criminal was prosecuted at neither side, and certainly there wasn't any worship of executed war criminal (not to mention class A) going on either. Just F.Y.I.
I disagree wholeheartedly. There's a big difference between killing someone in battle and performing biological tests on them. Comparing Chinese that died in the war as a result of a bomb isn't comparable to the Holocaust - which is what is being done here. If you want to compare apples to apples, you can't compare total casualities to the Holocaust.
Killing is killing. just because the japps did'nt burn the chineese people alive or gas them, dosent make it anyless significant.
but the majority of them wasnt killed in bombings, why do you think the chinese makes such a big deal about the Nanking massacar, the japanese millitary rounded up all the chinese men, woman, and children they could find, shot the men and children, and raped and killed the women. This doesnt sound like normal warfare to me.
I said "30 million lost Chinese lives" during the war. You were questioning my number, and cited wikipedia and picked a number and accused exaggeration. Serveral posters cited more numbers from the same wikipedia page you referred to. Now you want to compare apples to apples? I don't get your point.
Do you have any idea how Japanese killed the Chinese civilians during WWII? You should do some checking of facts before you talk.
There are differences in the methods of killing civilians and POWs, but it's not going to favor the Japanese, I tell you.
here all of yall need to see this http://www.princeton.edu/~nanking/ goto the picture gallary http://www.princeton.edu/~nanking/html/main.html WARNINGO NOT LET ANY CHILDREN SEE THIS, THESE ARE REAL UNEDITED, AND SOME ARE TAKEN BY THE JAPANESE SOLDIERS THEMSELVES, AND SOME OF THESE ARE VERY DISTURBING look at it and you can tell why the Chinese feel soo strongly about the Japanese invasion
