I consider soldiers tool of government. I blame Bush administration for Abu Ghraib. I blame Bush administration for american rapist soldiers. Do you want to blame amrican people for those things?
Actually I think a simple name change from "Chinese Communist Party" to "Chinese Whatever Party", everything would be a lot easier for ethnic Chinese in general.
Despite your constant inability to logically to reply to my post, I'll give you another chance. You point out what agressions China has commited were on the scale of what Japan did in the WW2, or What atrocities China commited against other nation were on the scale of what Japanese did, I'll never question you again. No, your faint attemp of pointing to India-china border skirmish won't be sufficient. Better yet. Let's take China totally out of the equation. Let's forfeit the right of Chinese to protest. Let's imagine it's just the peace-loving Maldives. Let's hear your opinion on Japanese government's shrine visit. Let's hear your judgement. Once and for all. Then we can cut all the craps. Isn't that what's this thread originally about?
If you are truly unbiased as you claim, I expect you to have replied to my question earlier on the subject.
I have no idea what you are talking about. No one is demonizing anyone...gov't or people. No one is talking about the CHinese people. We're talking about the Chinese gov't. Is your english really that bad? Might explain a lot of the misunderstandings you have.
My english is good enough to get me a Ph.D and two masters from top schools in the U.S. You were talking about "atrocities" "chinese" committed, do you have such short memory?
This isn't a question of scale. It's a question of this: The Chinese suffered massive atrocities from the Japanese. What happened? The Japanese stopped with the atrocities, the Chinese, once the victim, are now the victimizer, and yet, they still complain about the Japanese. How hard is it to see that?????? C"mon, and you just admit to that single thing? Is it so hard? It's the truth - as plain as day. Everyone else can see it!
Well, you don't need to have very good english to get a Ph.D and two masters...how many T.A.'s did I have that were incomprehensible! By the way, the literal translation of your sentence implies that you haven't received your Ph.D or masters. How ironic! Yes, when I say atrocities the Japanese commited - I am not referring to Yoshi the shepard mind you - I'm talking about the Japanese gov't...by the same token, when I speak of the Chinese atrocities, I'm not talking abou Hsu Nguyen the rice farmer but the Chinese gov't. I thought that was obviously understood.
There is an article on today's Financial Times. It is a discussion of the new nationalism seen in Japan. Go read it then you will see where Japan is going. Their next prime minister does not even regard that war unjust. He does not even consider those 14 class A war criminals criminals. Maybe when Japanese start celebrating the slaughtering of Pearl Harbor, Americans will take this issue seriously.
I think you are the one people have trouble understanding, because you twist facts, fabricate lies, deviate from the topic. Say whatever makes you feel good, but the response from other posters tell enought what they think of you.
Speak for yourself. I am not talking any responsibility for what this sh!ty administration has done. I didn't vote for it.
I think this post is borderline personal attack, I doubt any of the people targeted by you got really upset at all but everyone at this board deserves equal respect as an independent human being. I reported this post as a possible violation of board ethics. It just seems fashionable for some people to imply that people of Chinese descent who has lived under PRC are not capable of indepedent thoughts as soon as they defend some of the PRC policies or actions. This is sad.
I missed this post. It all matters. But it isn't smart to try to pinpoint it all on a single action. None of these people are perfect -the people that are students, the people that are soldiers, or the people that are leaders. None of the Japanese, American, German etc. are either. We all have a history of much interrelated violence. We are acknowledging that.
Yea, not a question of scale. By "victimizer" you mean the India-china border conflict? The Vietnam-China border conflict? The spratly? the atrocities? I love how you juxtapose it with "the Chinese, once the victim". So they can't "complain about the Japanese"? (BTW, US is prob the biggest "victimizer" by your thinking, it's doesn't stop US government complaining about anything.) Oh, I love how you circumvent the real question with the same rhetoric. If you have difficulty to grasp, let me repeat: "Better yet. Let's take China totally out of the equation. Let's forfeit the right of Chinese to protest. Let's imagine it's just the peace-loving Maldives. Let's hear your opinion on Japanese government's shrine visit. Let's hear your judgement. Once and for all. Then we can cut all the craps." FYI, answering the real question does not prevent you from starting another thread to write your thesis about why China is the most belligerent nation on the earth.
I don't try to pinpoint anything. I've already stated my position on the matter. It's just a quotation out of US embassy's cable. If anything, I'm pointing out many shades of the story. Many shades, like this one, were underreported, or simply unreported by the US media - which prevents the full understanding of the affair by the American public. I suspect that has something to do with the the use of the words "myth" by the original author and real-egal, to which you questioned. Yeah. Yet you often hear one side of the voice. Those who provide the other perspective were called "lunatics" and "barking dogs". Take you for example, I've seen you jumping in on occasion regarding the actions of the Chinese government. Yet you haven't expressed your opinion of the Shrine visit, the original topic itself. Isn't this kind of selective voicing somewhat telling of a trend here?
Assuming this is referring to me (as mine is the name closest to this on the BBS) I don't see where you are drawing this conclusion from. I have not posted one thing in support of Japanese war crimes or war criinals. I don't think it is good that the Japanese have enshrined war criminals, just like I don't think it is good that the Chinese have enshrined Mao. Both are stupid things to do. Both are worthy of criticism.
Personally symbolic acts mean little to me unless they are done with the intent to incite hate or anger. I don't think that was the intent in this case. I think he was trying to make a statement that it's time for Japan to stop feeling guilty and move on. They've paid their prison time with excellent behavior on the world stage. I don't think the shrine visit is a big deal. I do think that the revisionist history is not right. But no country has been expected to teach their children about the atrocities they have commited except maybe Germany. China doesn't teach it's kids about the military killing students does it? Or about the other views on the invasion of Tibet does it? It doesn't teach it's children that the gov't forced women to have abortions? Or the killing of female babies. Does it? Answer that? So in all honesty, I find the whole thing somewhat of a joke. Every country tries to deny the past - it's what nationalists do. It's funny how people as nationalistic as the Chinese posters on this board don't understand that. They hyprocrisy is gross to say the least. If you could admit to the wrongs of China's past then I could see your criticism of Japan's revisionist history as valid. But for now, all you are doing is being a pot calling the kettle black.
