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Japan considering pre-emptive strikes against NK

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Jackfruit, Jul 10, 2006.

  1. tinman

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    remember Japan, which was in bad economic shape, attacked Pearl Harbor.
     
  2. RodrickRhodes

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    lots of countries buy north korean missiles including oman, yemen, iran, iraq used to, pakistan, libya and a few others
     
  3. Saint Louis

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    Does this mean North Korea is going to attack Pearl Harbor?

    Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, the Phillipines, Wake Island and Southeast Asia. The attack on Pearl Harbor was supposed to be decisive enough to get the Americans to negotiate a truce. Admiral Yamato didn't want to fight a prolonged war with America. Bad move on the Japanese part. What Japan wanted was the oil in Indonesia. Then again, the Germans wanted the oil in the Middle East, Romania and the Caspian Basin. Funny how oil and war always seem to go together.
     
  4. Ottomaton

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    Actually, they were in very good economic shape. They just didn't have any access to oil or metals and the U.S. kept blocking them, which prevented further economic expansion.
     
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    They are huge illegal narcotic exporter
     
  6. tinman

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    ok, exporting something positive to the world.
    obviously its not enough revenue to feed its own people.
    either that or kim jong ill is using that cash for hookers for himself.
     
  7. Deckard

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    And a major influence behind the US stopping shipments of those raw materials to Japan, crucial to it's economy, was Japan's invasion and occupation of huge chunks of China, with the resultant loss of life in the millions. I'm sure the US policy decision, which led to this country being attacked at Pearl Harbor, and other, less famous locations, is a big part of Chinese history classes regarding WWII.



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  8. FranchiseBlade

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    Supposedly he has cut back on the booze and broads.

    But he uses the money for military and not much else.
     
  9. Dairy Ashford

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    I saw it when it originally aired. I guess it was a bloody enough war at the time for someone to want to desert, but oops.
     
  10. Saint Louis

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    Wow, they fall under the War on Terrorism and the War on Drugs.
     
  11. wnes

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    When I look at what PRC preaches and how it conducts its foreign policies, I don't find conflicts between the two. I welcome your rebuttal if you care to provide specific examples.
     
  12. wnes

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    Do you need to have China create a messy dilemma for U.S. in the Korean Pennisula to make U.S. look bad? Methinks not.

    U.S.'s conduct around the world speaks volumes for itself in the public opinion. Moreover, the messy situation in NK is the fruit of Americans' own doing, starting with the U.S. involvement in the bloody Korean War, numerous atrocities committed by the U.S. troops in that country resulting in hundreds of thousands of the civilian casualties, the decades of economic sanction on a poverty stricken nation, refusal to open dialog with NK based on American's own stubborn ideology, alliance with Japan which inflicted enormous suffering on the Koreans through its long brutal occupation and subjugation, dovish policy in one moment (the Clinton admin) and hawkish attitude in another, and worse, labelling NK as a member of Axis of Evil -- the list goes on and on. Of course, the massive U.S. military presence along the border of 38th parallel is never going to ease the anxiety of NKers.

    Speaking of Japan's military ambition and its die-hard nostalgia over the lost glory, I find it pretty funny tinman would mention the masterful Japanese eye-hand coordination to perform complex dual shock controller. Years ago on a university campus here in the U.S., I saw a Japanese student wearing a T-shirt depicting 神風(Kamikaze) walk swaggeringly among his American schoolmates, with a sneering look on his face. I wondered if any American youth out there knew what the hell the Japanese was wearing.

    Incidentally, Japan recently made and released a documentary film commemorating their Kamikaze pilots fighting the Allied Force (mostly American) near the end of WWII at the Pacific Theatre. It certainly takes a great deal of eye-hand coordination to operate a airplane to strike a naval ship on suicidal mission!

    The link to the film is listed below. It is very eye-opening, I am sure everyone who has slight knowledge of WWII would watch it with a heavy heart. International terrorists would on the other hand find it very inspirational.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqK1EkzYoKQ&search=japanese kamikaze pilots
     
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  13. Sishir Chang

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    I think y'all are overplaying the amount of control that the PRC may be able to exert on NK.
     
  14. FranchiseBlade

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    Agreed. Kim jong Il isn't that close with anyone, and keep secreted away from just about everybody. He needs supplies and resources from others, but doesn't have close relations with anyone.
     
  15. wnes

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    A rare ( ;) ) objective observation from a member of mnserfs!
     
  16. Deckard

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    wnes, with all due respect, the portion of your post that I highlighted is simply ludicrous. So we should have let South Korea fall to the invading North, a country run by lunatics, after attacking a United Nations force, of which the US was the major participant, but hardly the only one? Yes, that would have been a great move... then we'd see the entire peninsula under the thumb of lunatics busy starving their people to death, not just the North. The fact that the people of South Korea welcomed the UN's and the United States' effort within the UN to save them from a mad Communist regime, deserves, "the fruit of Americans' own doing, starting with the U.S. involvement in the bloody Korean War."

    Give me a freakin' break.



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  17. SamFisher

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    LOL, yeah the US should have let the North Koreans invade South Korea and turn it into an international pariah/famine-plagued cultocracy like the North. Sure, millions would be dead, and South Korea wouldn't be a vibrant, flourishing, modern, self-governing democracy. This point is so ludicrous it's not even worth entertaining.

    wnes, surely you can come down from your anti-colonialist high horse for a few seconds and realize that not everything the US has ever done is bad, particularly in light of the large number of colonial invasions that you do support.
     
  18. Saint Louis

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    BS! The only reason North Korea exists is because China poured troops across the Yalu River and rescued the communists in North Korea. The U.S./U.N. forces had already captured Pyongyang. If any country is to blame for the current situation in North Korea, it is China.
     
  19. deepblue

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    Are you kidding, you know how China really conducts its foreign policies? are you part of the PRC inner circle?

    When NK is dependent on China for food/energy/money, you are saying China has no influence on it whatsoever?
     
  20. The Sensei

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    The kanji that depicts Kamikaze is not just in reference to their suicidal attacks during WWII. It has its root from 'divine wind', which helped thwart Mongol attacks nearly a thousand years ago.

    To insinuate that all Japanese are proud of the kamikaze tactic in Japan, simply because you saw one student with a 'sneering look on his face' is propagandistic and irrelevant to the current event that is being discussed.

    Japan does have issues with regards to re-writing history, and I don't blame the Koreas or China for being upset over it. Still, I find the comparison of kamikaze fighters during WWII to suicide bombers of today's age of terrorism insulting and spiteful.

    War is war. Hand-eye coordination is for sword-fighting and videogames.
     

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