January 2007 -January 2008 Largest 1-year Climate Change in History

Well, I have a clue that this thread was started based on a steaming pile.

 

Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded.
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Anecdotal evidence is an informal account of evidence in the form of an anecdote or hearsay. The term is often used in contrast to scientific evidence

 

Go tell your grandchildren about the world that used to be.

Go tell your Christian friends about the poverty of the rich. "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven". (Luke 18:25)

Go tell your Chinese and Mexican friends that they are being forced into being used. Go tell them about Ford and his revolution, the dignity of human work and the Catholic Worker.

Go tell God to make more coal, because we sure as hell need some.

See, the thing about hyperbole and sentimental posturing...liberals are much better at it.

 

This is funny. Before you have grandchildren, you have to find a woman to have your kids.

 

Okay, let's discuss the actual graph. What's up with the rise from summer 96-98 and what's up with the fall this year. I can tell from working in houston the company I worked for was affected by the cool summer in houston. but it was due to a lot of rain. also there was a lot of snow this year. were these anamolies

 

I do understand the significance of standard deviation or other statistics. My point is that standard deviation is not a good tool to analyze a dynamic process. For example, if the temperature over the recent 80 years is increasing rapidly, the standard deviation of the average of the recent 80 years will be very big. In fact the faster it increases the bigger the standard deviation.

If the temperature has been stabilized in recent 10 years, then you could use the standard deviation to tell whether the the average temperature of the recent 10 years is statistically significantly higher than that of 80 years ago before the perceived global worming.

 

Let's see what the experts think about global warming!

http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-syr.htm

Summary for policymakers (which in America is all of us):
http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr_spm.pdf

Yeah, it might be good to listen to the conclusions of the scientific community when making policy decisions, but I kinda like this whole thing of just deciding whatever you want to believe and supporting it with random meaningless crap from the internet so that nothing ever gets done. It's gutsy, and I think our grandkids will respect that.

 

Very much disagree on this idea that it's super-easy to get funding if you put climate in the top of your proposal. The evidence does not bear that out, in terms of award %. The # awards / # proposals is still a very low ratio across the NSF, I believe.

Nanotechnology, for instance, is a buzzword, sure. And some amazing things will spring from it in the years ahead. But that just means that the appropriate programs at NSF got 10x the usual number of nanotech proposals. The fad is always a little bit ahead of the funding, in my experience.

As for the thread topic, I'm not really jumping to talk about 1 year of data in a graph where thousands of years are the important window for consideration. I will say a lot of models predict greater year-to-year variation with carbon-driven climate change.

 

Okay, why is there not more focus on these past few pages on rim's post? Click on the above link...the very first sentence:

The year 2007 tied for second warmest in the period of instrumental data, behind the record warmth of 2005, in the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) analysis.

somebody's wrong here...i wonder who??

 

OK, I did not know that you were talking about a specific graph. Do you refer to the graph on the first post? To my understanding, that is the average temperature of Januarys over a relatively short period (20 years). I was referring to a graph of annual average of hundred of years. I remember that the increase is very significant after industrial revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Instrumental_Temperature_Record.png).

 

Because Rimrocker totally destroyed this thread and the climate deniers only have their talking points to retreat to.

 

from rimrocker's NASA piece:



weslinder, anyone? what steaming pile of a website is showing the decrease?