1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

James Harden's Brooklyn Nets

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by jerryclark, Jan 13, 2021.

  1. HP3

    HP3 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2018
    Messages:
    22,869
    Likes Received:
    32,140
    Steph literally got mvp that year unanimously. His team won 73 games. Like it or not they beat Durant head to head. Also that game where Kay went nuclear Durant chocked hard. The numbers will show you that Curry has been a better offensive player. They also didn’t have nobodies on that thunder team. This was also when Westbrook was actually good. He may not be better than KD now but he absolutely was before. And the numbers have backed that up. You can’t tell me that Durant would have won without Curry. It’s flat out not true.
     
  2. riko

    riko Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2014
    Messages:
    9,634
    Likes Received:
    16,083
    I read somewhere the Nets are linked to Ariza once he and the Thunder get a buyout done. Dedmond is another possibility. That should help their interior defense and Trevor is still a solid versatile defender
     
    ParaSolid, Rocket River and hakeem94 like this.
  3. hakeem94

    hakeem94 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2016
    Messages:
    30,803
    Likes Received:
    41,420
    Harden was also very inconsistent in his own way.
    BTW its not given rockets wont find or develop another harden or even a better player. Perhaps he s on the roster already. Anything is possible.
    Remember, nobody saw GSW coming. NOBODY.
    Yet here we are.
     
  4. blahblehblah

    blahblehblah Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2006
    Messages:
    4,689
    Likes Received:
    3,832
    "They ain't even that good."
     
    daywalker02 likes this.
  5. TimDuncanDonaut

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2009
    Messages:
    13,336
    Likes Received:
    31,227
    In addition to MDA being there. From a guard's perspective, think Harden may benefit from working with Steve Nash. Picking his brain from a PG perspective. KD saw Nash's value at GSW, and enough for the Nets to bounce Atkins to get Nash there.

    Parsing some of Harden's words at post game interview about guys at certain spots. And then in game, seeing him direct traffic (like in HOU). There are times on the court, that you can tell he wanted players to be at certain spots (better position to score). His turnovers were high. Forced some passes in traffic. In some cases, the players weren't expecting it. That may improve with familiarity.

    In case with Jeff Green, Harden and Green had a number of connections.

    potato quality


    Having KD, takes the offensive pressure off. Plus opposing team can't just trap Harden all day anymore.
     
    #505 TimDuncanDonaut, Jan 17, 2021
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2021
    HP3, lionaire and vlaurelio like this.
  6. BigM

    BigM Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2001
    Messages:
    17,995
    Likes Received:
    13,171
    I’d put Chris Paul’s hamstring and the referees in game 7 as 1a and 1b. Inflexibility is debatable but they were the best team in the NBA and one of the best offenses in history. It’s just incredibly unlikely that you’d miss 27 3’s. Ariza must have clanked 15 of them.
     
    HP3 and vlaurelio like this.
  7. GermanRakete

    GermanRakete Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2020
    Messages:
    77
    Likes Received:
    54
    Unlikely, but it seems to happen quite often in important games. That’s when a smart team should have alternatives in their pocket instead of keep jacking them up. Smart we were not, and the historically great offence from the best team in the NBA became a laughingstock.
     
  8. JumpMan

    JumpMan Contributing Member
    Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2004
    Messages:
    7,946
    Likes Received:
    4,380
    Harden, Durant, and Kyrie have a lot to sacrifice to make the best of their situation. They'll have to split 70 to 75 points and around 15 assists between them. With that reality in mind, I don't see how Harden gets 30 points or 10 assists. Which will probably disappoint some of you guys.

    I was surprised to see Kyrie survive the Harden trade. I just don't see Harden and Kyrie getting along on or off the court. Guess we'll see if Kyrie survives the trade deadline. Doubt anyone would trade for him. He would probably retire.
     
  9. BigM

    BigM Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2001
    Messages:
    17,995
    Likes Received:
    13,171

    We didn’t quite often miss 27 3 pointers in elimination games. Sometimes players miss really well created shot opportunities. Regardless the Rockets weren’t a laughing stock, there was no team competing with the Warriors like they were.
     
    HP3, Wulaw Horn and vlaurelio like this.
  10. riko

    riko Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2014
    Messages:
    9,634
    Likes Received:
    16,083
    Kyrie has no value. No one will sacrifice any assets for a guy who is unreliable
     
  11. GermanRakete

    GermanRakete Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2020
    Messages:
    77
    Likes Received:
    54
    I‘m sorry to tell you, but yes, those 27 missed 3s made us a laughingstock. Well, I myself couldn’t help but laugh watching that game. Just remembering that game hurts, especially when you love team ball like the Spurs did against the Heat.

    These MDA teams literally lived and died by the 3.
     
  12. SunsRocketsfan

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2002
    Messages:
    6,232
    Likes Received:
    451
    True Rockets fans will hope harden fails and the team implodes.
     
  13. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    89,531
    Likes Received:
    43,118
    It's 'There you go' in lieu of 'Here we are'.
     
  14. vlaurelio

    vlaurelio Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2005
    Messages:
    21,310
    Likes Received:
    11,755
    FIFY
     
  15. Outlier

    Outlier Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2006
    Messages:
    8,518
    Likes Received:
    1,334
    Lol no, you can't just develop another James Harden. He was a once in a generation type player.
     
  16. hakeem94

    hakeem94 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2016
    Messages:
    30,803
    Likes Received:
    41,420
    yes you can...you can even develop a player that is better than him
     
  17. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    54,124
    Likes Received:
    112,633
    James Harden is the best player on the NETS.

    He was the one running and directing the offense and style and tone in just his first game with the team.

    That isn't taking anything away from KD, who is an amazing player and in the upper echelon of players in league history.

    I'll just put it this way, teams did not change their entire defensive systems to stop KD like they have Harden.

    Durant and Harden are an excellent match because neither is as uptight as Westbrook or Paul, and both have shown a willingness to give up the ball at times.

    Harden will make sure KD gets plenty of shots because their games mesh.

    The only real question I have is how they are going to handle when they either are slowed down by a team like the Lakers or if things are not going their way. For years LeBron did not handle it well either, until he won a title and since then has had a confidence to drag his teams in the right direction.... I cannot say Harden or KD have done that.

    Harden and KD both have improved in the clutch and in important spots, so I am less concerned about the actual "on the court" stuff but more concerned how they handle adversity off the court.
     
    HP3, BigM and vlaurelio like this.
  18. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    54,124
    Likes Received:
    112,633
    The odds of the Rockets developing a player better than James Harden in the next 10 years is exceedingly low...... sure the next Kareem Abdul Jabbar or LeBron James could emerge, and the Rockets could just happen to have the pick to draft him......... but it is EXTREMELY unlikely.
     
  19. Reeko

    Reeko Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    45,728
    Likes Received:
    127,709
    What about the fans who hoped Harden would fail while he was actually on the Rockets and found glee in his struggles?
     
    HP3, Rocket River and vlaurelio like this.
  20. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2000
    Messages:
    21,639
    Likes Received:
    10,547
    Harden is such a lazy, culture sucking leach that both his former coach and former GM was willing to trade the farm for him. Let's not forget how Durant and Westbrook also wanted to play with him again.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now