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James Harden's Brooklyn Nets

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by jerryclark, Jan 13, 2021.

  1. SmallBallDoesntWork

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    it must be nice to be a Nets fan went to check Hardens stats and saw they won by nearly 40 good god.
     
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    You keep saying that Harden is superior, but you're not really elaborating as to why you think so.

    Also, given the success GSW has had with Curry, it's debatable whether or not on-ball playmaking is more impactful than off-ball playmaking. Another point to consider is that Harden's brand of on-ball playmaking became predictable, and the more predictable something is, the easier it is to gameplan against. When Curry runs around, there's no telling when the defense will get exploited which means it's harder to game plan against.

    Additionally, Curry is an excellent passer and on-ball playmaker while Harden can't be considered an off-ball playmaker.

    So even though Harden is a better on-ball playmaker than Curry, I think Curry's off-ball play-making more than compensates.
     
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    But Curry still got doubled when he played with elite shooters. Brooklyn Harden is seeing a lot of single coverage.
     
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    Harden didn't have a burst in the first quarter either.
     
  5. Juxtaposed Jolt

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    Can you show videos where Curry was double-teamed despite Klay and KD being on the floor? Not trying to argue for or against - just genuinely curious.

    I also find it funny that you mention Curry gets doubled off-ball, as if someone would purposefully leave the man they're assigned to, to go double someone who doesn't have the ball. That's not Curry being good - that's just either bad coaching or bad instincts by the defender.
     
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    25 / 8.5 / 11.6, along with great efficiency. Don't really need to click on the video - the thumbnail is enough to get the message.

    Man is insane.
     
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    Yea it never happens on purpose. Ive watched them this year, they trap him when he gets the ball. It doesnt happen off ball as much, thats just due to mistakes.
     
  8. Air Canada

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    I did in that long post and you essentially responded to nothing I said in that post....
    You also ignored what I said about Draymond being intrical to that offball playmaking for GS.
     
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    How did you want me to respond to your Draymond comment? By pointing out that teammates are always integral to successful playmaking?
     
  11. riko

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    I meant they struggled in the first and he picked it up in the second
     
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    Defenders don't purposefully leave their mark to double Curry, but through his off-ball movement, Curry forces the defense to make mistakes which leads to scoring opportunities for his teammates.
     
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    Best point guard in the league. He is the best shooting guard in the league to. The man is infact the best player in the nba

    Glad people are seeing his full arsenal tricks now. He is more then just a great iso scorer
     
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    They struggled for the first few minutes of the first quarter. After that, it was smooth sailing. Harden was part of the turnaround; he wasn't the reason for it. It was a team effort.
     
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    It was his scoring out burst and couple of steals that set the tone.
     
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    Harden had no steals in the first quarter, and he had 1 steal in the second quarter which he followed up with a turnover.

    Again, it was a team effort. You're giving Harden way too much credit.
     
  17. Juxtaposed Jolt

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    Shamet defended Curry and Green defended Durant, at the start of the video. If you watch the video again, Shamet stayed on Curry while Green left Durant to guard Curry because Green though Shamet would switch off Curry to guard Durant.

    I doubt very much that it was a "we need to let Kevin Durant free roam to the basket so that we can go double Curry" moment.
     
  18. Mr. Space City

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    now this gonnabe a thread with wekko debating with everybody for 50+ pages and making over 1000+ post defending curry?
     
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    It was a defensive mistake, but Curry forces these defensive mistakes quite often. I consider this to be a form of playmaking.
     
  20. flamingdts

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    You can consider it a form of playmaking, it doesn't mean that's what the word means or how it's interpreted.

    That's like saying DeAndre Jordan is a good shooter because he has a very high FG%. That's not what FG% is supposed to highlight, and arguing that it technically could mean Jordan is a good shooter would just be pedantic.
     

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