Jesus you are dense. I’m talking right now? Don’t tell me you think Stephanie is better then harden right now. Stephanie has more team accolades yes, but as individual players and overall offensive package harden is better. When hardens biggest hater, Chris Broussard calls him better then Steph and the best point guard in the nba I’ll take his word over some Stephanie fanboy keyboard warrior lol You might want to go to the Stephanie thread to shine his manhood there. Why are you here in a harden thread?
It's weird that the Curry the leader, winner, MVP hasn't been able to win without a star caliber player around him... When he has a Harden type team the results are not nearly as good. Harden is such a loser.
He does most all his damage with left hand. Image if Harden ever learns a right hand, for both passing and finishing. that’s one thing I’ve always been expecting him to add. He can get past his man on the right side, but he’d definitely benefit from more ways to finish a layup...and right handed passes.
Harden type team you mean top3 pg of all time CP, Ariza on wing, star center Capela, top defensive wing Pj and 6th Man of the year&3point champ EG? or maybe the one in OKC with KD, Russ and Ibaka?
James Ennis Kostas Papanikolaou Sober Ty Lawson Corey Brewer Tyrik Black Pablo Prigioni Joey Dorsey KJ McDaniels Isaiah Cannon Marcus Thornton Terrence Jones Gary Payton II Tyler Ennis Sam Dekker Chinau Onaku Jordan Hamilton Nick Johnson Ronnie Brewer Just a small list of some of the awful players who Harden made somewhat playable. The level of talent Harden has had to deal with opposed to Curry is ridiculous. Not to mention all of Curry's elite talent has been a perfect match. Dwight refused to buy into what he did best and wanted post touches which hurt the team and CP who was Hardens only other star caliber player he has played with was a perfect fitment but wasn't even half the player he was 2nd year here. Curry has always been surrounded by at minimum a 2nd all star caliber player. Harden has not. The 2016-17 team literally had James Harden as the all star caliber player and we still won what 54 games? This year's Warriors squad is very comparable to our 16-17 squad and they are not even half as good. I like Curry but Harden is the more superior player. He can drag a team of misfits to the playoffs. The same can't be said of Curry.
First, Harden was going to win the title with an old Chris Paul (33 years old) before he blew out his hamstring so I don't want to hear any bullshit about that. In 2019 Paul was hurt and barely shot 40% from the floor, so I don't want to hear it. Second, in OKC James Harden started two games in three years so try again. BTW that Warriors team with Curry, that Harden was about to beat had 4 Hall of Famers in the starting line up.... the Rockets had two Hall of Famers, and only one after old ass Paul was hurt.
Imagine how much damage he would do had the Lakers or Warriors or Spurs had traded for him from the Thunder.
There's some cheap assists when the player throws the ball away with 3 seconds left on the clock to a teammate, and the teammate then needs to shoot a contested shot after some go-to move. Or an assist anyone can make, like feeding the ball to Shaq in the post. Basically it implies you have some really good surrounding talent that can produce on an assist, and all you really need to do is feed that talent and get out of the way. Needless to say, Harden's assists were not cheap. If he's ever had cheap assists, it came with assisting KD/Kyrie, maybe CP3. But even that's not cheap, because I've seen him drop ridiculous passes to defeat elite teams offensively with ease.
Chris Paul isn't everyone's top 3 PG of all time. I don't consider him one because his health is always questionable during the playoffs, never even made one NBA Finals for his entire career, not even when he was the second best player. I like John Stockton, Magic Johnson, Allen Iversion, Oscar Robertson better. Not in any order. Capela is a star only by avid watchers. Never made an all-star team. His RFA ended poorly before he got traded, proves this point. Ariza on the wing is fine, he's also not any all-star caliber player. PJ will never win any personal accolades. He's also not a talent that thrives on every roster. Much like Dray, he needs a system that play to his strengths. And not many basketball systems can use such a talent to reach success. EG as 6MOTY is a good point, but is the only one that can't really be disputed.
Woulda coulda shoulda. Story of James Harden. Klay is product of Curry. Same goes for Draymond. Are these „he always had some allstars”? Where were the AllStar warriors last year when Curry went down? Also dont measure greatness only by durability. Of course there are areas Harden is superior, dragging **** squad to playoffs is one of them. But tell me one thing. Does James Harden win championship over LeBron with Draymond, Klay, Andrew Bogut, Igoudala etc? Does he win 73? Does he get over young OKC? I believe thats where the difference is - Curry has a feel for team oriented play, whether its playing off ball, playmaking, or just simply bursting out with 10 threes. He just plays the game better. And I think Harden wouldnt win accolades Curry did if you just swapped them. Whether if its for his character reasons, his motivation or just love for strip club b****es and drugs with rappers. It really doesnt matter because at this point, they are both past their prime and there is no chance he goes down in history of basketball as a better player than Steph and every neutral fan will say it. If you say otherwise you are just blinded by the love for the rockets and i see riko now jumped the fence from Lin to Tmac lol. You wanna know difference between Tmac and Harden? Tmac said its on him, tried and failed. Then he cried admitting he ****ed up. Harden didnt try when it got tough, blamed it on 3 partners straight, and then said team sucks so hes off to KD.
I get your point about Cp and its fine, i always loved him but theres a lot of great players. The truth is it all came down to making plays in pivotal games. James Harden took them and missed them, Steph took them and made them
The only thing I can concede is that the system that Harden played in was not setup for the playoffs. When all of the offense is from Harden, of course it makes the team way too predictable. The only other time that wasn't the case is when we had CP or Dwight/JSmith on the roster. When making comparisons to Steph as if Steph is a better player, it takes a way too many of your arguments as it stems from bias. Let alone the simple fact Harden averages better than Steph in the playoffs, Steph has also had disappearing acts. He just has great players around him who can bail him out so you'd never remember them. Greater than half of Steph's championship rings come from KD being on the roster. Need I remind you losing to Cavs after a 73-win season? I guarantee you, if KD were on the Rockets, that's at least a championship ring. Unless you want to sit here and say CP3 is better than KD. Steph is just not that great, certainly not better than Harden. There's an entire system constructed with some great talent that surrounds Steph that you never want to accept. TBH, I think it's ridiculous.
First person here that can discuss with reason. I respectfuly agree to disagree. I just dont think Currys impact is as easy to measure as ppg/apg. His feel for the offensive game is unmatched in current NBA, he seems always within the flow
