James Harden promises he'll never leave the Rockets

realistically better player for the rockets = better on court player to lead & carry rockets team by himself for 82 games, younger/entering his prime, better contract for the rockets, loyal & committed to the rockets

okay just to be clear when you say better player, you mean who would have won more games in the span o a season for the rockets last year right?

 

"A better player" usually means getting the team closer to the championship, not winning more regular season games, although those two things could be related. In our case, I believe most people would agree that LeBron would bring us closer to the championship than Harden would.

BTW, I am not a LeBron fan. I have had my share of criticism against LeBron. But objectively, I think it is quite clear that LeBron is still a better player than Harden.

 

if you're gonna respond to me, repond to each point/question I'm making and not simply gnore statements because you cannot honestly answer them

but seeding is important right? a 3rd seeded team with hca in the west has better chances than a 6th seeded team right?

if a 32 year old lebron who had to take 10 games rest, with kirie irving, love, and a championship roster, can only muster 51 games in a week east

how many games do you think a 32 year old lebron playing as the only superstar has to rest?

and how many wins can he muster in a stacked west?

when was the last time lebron played in the dreaded west? when was the last time he won a champiionship by himself? without wade and bosh, without kirie and love?

go ahead and make a poll asking who has a better chance of brinign at least 1 and even even multiple championships to houston so you can show methe majority you are boasting

1) a 32 year old declining superstar bandwagoner no commitment no loyalty can bring a championship to houston in a span of a year

2) a 28 year old entering his prime superstar committed and loyal in a span of 6 years

 

I wouldn't be so sure he stays here for life as his commitment was made before Leslie announced his intent to sale. Since Harden is close with Tad Brown and is now looking at possible contention, I highly doubt Tillllllman would screw that up, but you never know. It will be interesting for sure..

 

Even if they had the same contract length and the same age Lebron still has an extremely egoistic personality and a desire to be the next GOAT when he finally retires. So if you had a franchise like the Lakers or NYC with clear capspace and HOF coach he would be perfect but if you are a small/mid market team like Houston you will always be afraid of Lebron leaving and/or causing drama.

Harden has a lot less lofty aspirations, as such it is a lot easier to keep him happy and also keep ypur superstar core intact. For Houston trading Harden for Lebron would be a dumb idea.

 

I have already defined what "better player" means. I do not have to answer your questions about regular season wins, which you based on the questionable assumption that LeBron HAS TO rest 10 games. It is equally reasonable to assume that he rested because they could afford to do so in the East.

Now if you insist that "better player" means winning more regular season games (which BTW is purely speculation how many more or fewer wins LeBron would have with the Rockets), then suit yourself. We can agree to disagree. I do not have the time to answer you point by point and don't feel worth it because we start with very different assumptions.

 

well I have facts

Lebron is 32 years old
basically expiring contract because he has a player option
NTC
haven't won anything without 2 stars playing beside him

aren't those facts?

or you want to assume he's as old as harden?

 

He DID get to the Finals without a star playing next to him though, albeit it was still through the East.

 

okay so he won the ECF which doesn't really mean alot especially these days

I guess my point is I don't think Morey would trade prime entering Harden locked up and committed for 6 years
for a 32 year old band wagonning Lebron for 1 year

Cavs wins that trade. They'll be 1st seed in the east and will be set for 5 more years

Lebron ain't bringing a championship to Houston in a year

I don't even think they will get HCA in the 1st round of the playoffs much less beat either OKC, Spurs, and/or GSW

 

While I wouldn't ever trade Harden for LBJ, it's not a foolish trade idea or comparison. LBJ will arguably go down in history as a top 5 player in the NBA and is still at top 3 player IMO. The people that wanted to trade Harden for IT4, bench Harden for Lin, or trade him for AD on the other hand...

 

agree

for context, this the poster and posts I was originally replying to

he basically said anyone (or Morey) won't trade Harden for Lebron is delusional because it should be done in a heartbeat

and here's another gem, he thinks that if harden and cp3 don't win this year then rockets will rebuild

 

At the end of the day this is Htown. Superstars will flock here if we just flash the cash. Have some dignity and stop sounding like that insecure pesty clingy girlfriend.

 

like when we only had KMart and JLin to show for and we got rejected by stars like Bosh and Melo to name a few?

you actually sound a bitter ex

lighten up hater enjoy the ride

 

You sure love to put words in my mouth. Where in my posts did I say THIS YEAR?

And being much more enthusiastic to this debate than I do, you conveniently avoid the most glaring issue, playoffs performance, in all the "facts" that you present.

Anyway, this will be my last post in this conversation. I wasn't even talking to you in the first place. You just jumped in and misrepresented my point.

 

how many years does CP3 has in his contract?

LOL another hater exposed

 

How is 32 year old Lebron declining, but 32 CP3 and 33 Melo cement Rockets window for a title?

 

Lebron has way more mileage on him as he's made it to the Finals for the past 8 years.

 

That's what they always say right before they break your heart

 

original question is if you're Morey, will you trade Harden for Lebron straight up all things considered?

28 yr old Harden entering his prime on a 6 yr contract
or 32 yr old Lebron rested 10 games last yr in the weak east with a 2 yr contract 2nd year a player option

 

What the hell are you guys even talking about? Lebron will never be traded for Harden... Lebron has a no trade clause and if he was to ever waive it to come to Houston it would be because he wants to play with Harden.