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James Harden or Clyde Drexler in his prime?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by tinman, Dec 18, 2014.

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Real Comparison: Harden or Drexler?

  1. Harden

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  2. Drexler

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  1. jevjnd

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    I didn't ignore that part of the discussion at all, I just thought that it was implicit enough that Harden is much better at finishing in any other way besides dunking. The 'under the rim' guy here can dunk, just not at Clyde's level. I didn't realize that you couldn't catch on to implicit statements, but I'm glad to clear that up for you. To summarize, Clyde could dunk far better than Harden and he had other finishes, including a very effective finger roll, Harden is not even close to the dunker that Drexler was, but he utilizes the other side of the rim, misdirection, strength (not that Drexler was weak, since I can't implicitly state things), and creativity with the occasional dunk far better than Drexler ever could. Drexler was great, Harden is even better because he doesn't rely on back cuts and simply putting his head down the way Drexler did. Ball handling isn't finishing, but when you're a superior ball handler, there will be more opportunities to finish, once in and around the basket area, you'll be more effective if you mix up your dunks, layups on both sides of the rim, etc. Someone here even posted a highlight video of Drexler dunking which is completely missing the point. Just goes to show how reason is on my side here.
     
  2. jcmoon

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    https://the-cauldron.com/the-evolution-of-the-power-forward-82c9c3bdca2f

    you don't remember van gundy constantly praising shawn marion as a stretch four? he was the first one dude.
     
  3. wekko368

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    The flaw in your logic is that you don't think Drexler has these abilities. He does. Watch this video of Drexler's top 10 "glides":



    #10, #7, #6, #4, #3, and #1 are all layups. I'm not sure if Harden is capable of pulling off #4, #3, or #1.
     
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    Good one.

    All I ever argued about McHale was that he wasn't one of the worst coaches in the league and that it wasn't impossible to win a playoff series with him as our coach.

    Two things you were adamant about. Two things you were wrong about.

    As far as the 50/40/90 I believe I said he had the capability but wouldn't ever be able to do it the way we use him. He has come pretty damn close to each in atleast one season. A bit overzealous? Sure.

    And everyone with a brain knows Harden shouldn't have been left off all NBA. It was a joke. He had yet another historical season last year but Dwight and his bullshit dragged the whole organization down.

    The guy you are I guess sticking up for has done nothing but doubt the dude and our 3 point bombing system. So far as to actually choose p***y boy Dwight over him last year.

    Carry on.
     
  6. jcmoon

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    dude, he was an all star before nash came, and no, he wouldn't be considered below average, he was just as vital to the suns,as nash was. without him, the suns wouldn't have been the suns. all you are you looking at is three point percentages? 35 percent from a four back then was just fine, when there were old school power forwards guarding him, or threes, and he would beat them down the floor on the break. there are other parts to the game, transition defense, half-court defense. of which ryan anderson sucks at both. shawn marion in his prime, on this rockets team?
     
  7. wekko368

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    Well, yeah. We're talking about a stretch 4. The most important part of a stretch 4 is the ability to shoot the 3 pointer.

    I think that if we replaced Anderson with a prime Marion, we'd be a weaker team. You're underestimating the impact of the spacing that Anderson's 40% 3pt shooting provides.
     
  8. FTW Rockets FTW

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    McFail was one of the worst coaches. Why do you think no team wants to hire him even now when he is literally begging for a head coaching gig? I believe I said no team with McFail as head coach will come close to winning a championship. If you can show me where I said series, I stand corrected. But I doubt, you can....


    I am not sticking up for him. I'm just calling out your hypocrisy saying he is always wrong or something like that when you're on the same boat. People who live in glass houses......
     
  9. jcmoon

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    have you read my previous comments? i fully understand andersons impact on this team? you are the only person who is going to say this out of 100 GMs and those NBA journalists voting for the MVP. shawn marion was an athetic freak, broke down the opposing defenses by his ability to run the break, rebounds, defense, driving. you are just proving that you are too young or you never actually watched the games, and are looking at stats.

    so you are going to take anderson over this guy:

     
  10. wekko368

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    Unfortunately, Harden doesn't often look to run a fast break. The vast majority of the time, we initiate a half-court offense, and in a half-court offense, Anderson's spacing makes him more valuable than Marion.

    To win a championship, we're going to have to beat the Warriors, and if that's going to happen, it'll be through our offense, not our defense. Plus, I'd much rather force Draymond Green to hang around the 3pt line in order to guard Anderson. If we had Marion, that'd allow Green to play free safety.
     
  11. jcmoon

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    is that right, lol? this is full court basketball, lol...you always look to fast break when you have wide-open man running down the floor...don't you remember when parsons and brewer were here? if you put shawn marion on this team instead of anderson, we'd be legit contenders..
     
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    If you are talking the Houston Clyde, it's no question James is better. But if you are talking the Portland years, there is no way in hell james is close to Clyde. The Portland Clyde was nearly as good as MJ.
     
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    Clyde never woulda pulled that ****... jus sayin...
     
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    the Cod-firecracker in another thread hinted that James got his panties in a bunch over a tiff with a teammate . . . or something. Waiting on the full Cod-bomb story.
     
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    Good thing you said all year. I reserved my vote after the quitting. Never regretted.
     
  17. kjayp

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    I saw Cod mention something about there being 'a lot of factors or some such...'
    My thought from the beginning was harden got pissed over criticism from the end of game 5 and figured "screw y'all then - I'm not gonna shoot and see what happens..."
    If that is the case... spoiled brat diva - show him the door...
    I posted elsewhere that we need a team that push one another and hold each other accountable... right now it seems like James can yell at whoever whenever... but nobody is allowed to step at him for screwing up... maybe I'm wrong... but that aint the recipe for success...
     
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  18. napalm06

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    That does sound juicy. But even a fist fight should've fired them up and not made them quit in a huge game...
     
  19. goldoil

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    I pick Drexler.
     
  20. Red Hova

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    I know it's current day, but one was second best to Russell Westbrook the other was second best to Michael Jordan, common
     
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