1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

James Harden is gonna get screwed over again in MVP Voting

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by HardenTime, Jan 1, 2017.

  1. Surfguy

    Surfguy Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 1999
    Messages:
    22,788
    Likes Received:
    11,166
    Oh it's on! OH IT'S ON!!!
    It's in the crib WUT! It's in the crib WUT! That's WUT!

    Harden smackdown of Westbrook is imminent! Harden smackdown of Westbrook is imminent!
    Imminent beatdown! Imminent beatdown! Harden put on.
    Come and join the party...Dressed with MVP

    Attention all lesser players of the NBA! Attention all lesser players of the NBA!
    Harden has assumed control! Harden has ASSUMED CONTROL! HARDEN HAS ASSUMED CONTROL, b****ES!

    Harden's gonna win MVP! Harden's gonna win MVP!
    Westbrook's gonna come in second! Westbrook's gonna come in second!

    Hide yo' wivez, hide yo' kidz, hide yo' petz
    That guy winnin' MVP...he crazy! That guy winn' MVP...he crazy!

    Whoop...there it is! Whoop...there it is!
    Bring down the roof! Bring down the roof!

    Aww YEAH! MVP! MVP! MVP!

    Too soon?
     
  2. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2001
    Messages:
    26,562
    Likes Received:
    35,609
    With a month left in the season, this poll shows a clear favorite for NBA MVP
    By Tim Bontemps

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...this-poll-shows-a-clear-favorite-for-nba-mvp/

    The collective eyes of the basketball world may shift to the college game Thursday afternoon with the commencement of the NCAA tournament, but that doesn’t mean the NBA is taking a break. Thursday marks the beginning of the final four weeks of the regular season, weeks which have plenty of things worth paying attention to.

    There are legitimate races for the top seed in both the Eastern and Western Conferences, with the defending champion Cleveland Cavaliers leading the Boston Celtics by two games in the East and the Golden State Warriors leading the San Antonio Spurs by a game in the West. Meanwhile, there are five teams battling for the final three playoff spots in the East and four fighting for the final spot in the West, so there will be meaningful games up and down the standings right up until mid-April.

    But there will be nothing more compelling to watch in the NBA over these final few weeks than the race for the league’s Most Valuable Player Award. Between Cavaliers forward LeBron James, Spurs forward Kawhi Leonard, Oklahoma City Thunder guard Russell Westbrook and Houston Rockets guard James Harden, there are four future Hall of Fame players who are having incredible seasons — so good that it is accurately being discussed as to whether this could be the greatest battle for the award in league history (and that doesn’t include Kevin Durant, as the Warriors forward would’ve been right in the middle of that fight had he not suffered an MCL sprain and a tibial bone bruise in Washington two weeks ago).

    So with such an intense competition underway for the award — and with no clear answer for who should be leading the race — The Washington Post conducted a follow-up survey to the one we did close to two months ago to see what the state of the race was. And, surprisingly, the survey laid out a clear answer: Despite the intense competition, it remains very clearly Harden’s race to lose.

    After surveying 106 media members who cover the sport (though, to be clear, not all will be among the voters for the award when ballots are sent out next month), Harden finished with exactly half (53) of the available first-place votes, and finished either first, second or third on 102 of the 106 ballots cast (finishing fourth on the other four).

    That allowed Harden — just as he did in the initial straw poll in January — to finish in first place with 910 points, putting him almost 150 ahead of Westbrook (768), who had 28 first-place votes, in second, and significantly ahead of both Leonard (658) in third and James (600) in fourth.

    There was a semi-interesting race for the fifth spot on the ballot, with Isaiah Thomas, John Wall and Durant all getting varying degrees of support, with Thomas (94 points) edging out Wall (74, and Durant (60). The guess here is that, as the year goes on, Thomas and Wall will wind up duking it out for that fifth spot, with the likely winner being whoever’s team, between the Boston Celtics and Washington Wizards, finishes ahead of the other in the East standings.

    The true drama, though, is at the top of the ballot, where there are clear arguments in favor of each candidate, and no clear reasons to pick against any of them, making for an incredibly difficult choice for anyone trying to cast a vote.

    Harden has become Steve Nash 2.0 playing for Mike D’Antoni this season, propelling the 47-21 Rockets to one of the league’s best records while leading the NBA in assists. Westbrook remains on pace to average a triple-double for the season — something that hadn’t been done since Oscar Robertson 55 years ago, and was long suspected no one would ever do again. James is simply averaging 25.9 points, 8.4 rebounds and 8.9 assists while playing the second-most minutes per game in the league at 32 years old, while Leonard is the best two-way player in the league, one that continues to add elements to his game offensively as he remains a one-man wrecking crew defensively.

    But it appears Harden’s combination of statistical prowess, being the engine of Houston’s unexpected success and pushing the Rockets into the necessary place in the standings for him to be considered — no MVP has finished outside the top three spots in his conference since Moses Malone did so for Houston in 1982 — has given him a sizable lead heading into the stretch run.

    This result will likely surprise many, especially considering the fact that Westbrook is the one doing something truly historic this season, and has the narrative of propping up the Thunder in the wake of Durant’s departure. At least from this electorate, however, it appears Westbrook will have trouble making up that difference between now and the end of the regular season.

    Many voters already referenced Westbrook’s triple-double exploits as a reason for voting him number one, and several said that if he stopped averaging it, he would immediately fall to fourth on their ballots. Barring injury, however, that won’t be an issue.

    What will be is his team’s success. The Thunder are on pace to win 46 or 47 games this season — a more-than-respectable total, and one that could get them as high as fifth place in the West standings, depending on how long the late-season swoon of the Los Angeles Clippers carries on.

    But, historically, players on teams that finish in the middle of the pack simply don’t get consideration for the top individual honor. Plus, Robertson didn’t win the award when he averaged the triple-double — he finished third in 1962, behind Wilt Chamberlain, who averaged 50 points and 26 rebounds that season).

    Bill Russell, the best player on the league’s best team, the Boston Celtics, won the award. It is that distinction — the best on the best — that could wind up being a huge boost to Leonard over the next month. San Antonio lost to the Portland Trail Blazers on Wednesday night to fall a game back of Golden State for the NBA’s best record, but if the Spurs surpass the Warriors sometime over the next month, it will do wonders for Leonard’s candidacy. He could cut into the vote totals for both Harden and Westbrook before it’s all said and done.

    The biggest long shot among the four candidates seems to be James, despite the fact he’s still nearly universally considered the game’s best player. It’s just hard to see how the narrative is going to tip in his direction between now and mid-April. This has led some, most notably ESPN’s Rachel Nichols, to call for the award to be split into two: one to go to whomever is deemed the best player, and the other to who had the best season.

    As of today, though, that distinction doesn’t exist. And, under the parameters that do exist, Harden is on pace to be the NBA’s next MVP.
     
  3. Reeko

    Reeko tanking is a joke, and a stain on the NBA

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    44,004
    Likes Received:
    123,302
    This is the type of stuff that puts me at ease. The media can't get this wrong a 2nd time. Let Harden get what's rightfully his, and after that, all that's left for him to accomplish is winning a championship.
     
    da_juice and Hakeemtheking like this.
  4. Reeko

    Reeko tanking is a joke, and a stain on the NBA

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    44,004
    Likes Received:
    123,302
    Harden got more 2nd place votes than Russell did 1st place votes :eek:

    Winning matters!!
     
  5. Reeko

    Reeko tanking is a joke, and a stain on the NBA

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    44,004
    Likes Received:
    123,302
    Lmao, this is what I thought would be the case. The Harden supporters are just chilling in silence while the Westbrook supporters are a vocal minority.
     
    DonKnock likes this.
  6. conundrum

    conundrum Rookie

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2010
    Messages:
    2,014
    Likes Received:
    79
    Lucky for Harden if he gets more votes than Westbrook he still wins unlike our presidential election.
     
    HakeemOnlyFan likes this.
  7. CDrex

    CDrex Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2009
    Messages:
    5,984
    Likes Received:
    1,427
    It's nice that several are willing to openly demonstrate how stupid they are.
     
  8. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2001
    Messages:
    26,562
    Likes Received:
    35,609
    Bontemps' article was very interesting. You can see from the straw poll results that the voters that "value winning", that didn't go with Harden, went with Kawhi or LeBron. That cost Westbrook 1st place votes. And I wouldn't be surprised if Harden was 2nd on those voter ballots as well.

    Whereas Harden was 1st or 2nd on most. This is exactly what @The Cat was talking about recently on his LockedOnRockets podcast.
     
  9. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2001
    Messages:
    26,562
    Likes Received:
    35,609
    It will be worth watching if the Spurs take the #1 seed making Kawhi "Best player on best team." And if the Thunder get up to #5 passing the Clippers helping Westbrook's "winning team" cause. I didn't think the Thunder could catch the Clippers but then the Clips start sucking and are holding out Griffin/DAJ for the Nuggets game. hmmm
     
    DonKnock likes this.
  10. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2001
    Messages:
    26,562
    Likes Received:
    35,609
  11. kingkingston

    kingkingston Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2013
    Messages:
    14,859
    Likes Received:
    8,546
    Just remember that the Rockets have won more than the Cavs ;)
     
  12. samtaylor

    samtaylor Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2014
    Messages:
    4,587
    Likes Received:
    4,576
    Does Harden's mom have an MVP vote?
     
  13. RockWest

    RockWest Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2015
    Messages:
    1,378
    Likes Received:
    898
    Westbrook: who's he?
    Curry: reigning mvp you fool
     
    Daddy Long Legs and Stormy1234 like this.
  14. Os Trigonum

    Os Trigonum back from the north woods
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2014
    Messages:
    68,896
    Likes Received:
    103,345
    probably deserves its own thread

    more media conspiracy:

     
    DonKnock and Daddy Long Legs like this.
  15. samtaylor

    samtaylor Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2014
    Messages:
    4,587
    Likes Received:
    4,576
    They need their own show. I bet ESPN has already contacted them.
     
  16. larsv8

    larsv8 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2007
    Messages:
    21,663
    Likes Received:
    13,908
    Dunno for me, I look at it like matchups.

    Harden vs Lebron
    -Harden has gaudier stats on a team with a better record, in a harder conference, with less talent on the roster. Not to mention the recent national TV win in the head to head. Thats an easy elimination of Lebron as the winner, in favor of Harden.

    Harden vs Westbrook
    -Harden has better stats slightly (Efficiency + Assist difference against rebounding disadvantage), has a much better record, on a somewhat similarly talented team. Westbrook, IMO, has the least compelling case, as the product of his team just flat out isn't good enough to recogonize with awards.

    Harden vs Kawhi
    -You could make a case for Kawhi as best player on the best team, however I am not sure anyone believes the Spurs would really miss a beat without Leonard playing, as the Spurs are more of a well oiled machine than one big gear driving a bunch of smaller ones. After all, it is littered with ex allstars and numerous future hall of famers, along with the greatest coach of all time. Would have a hard time picking Kawhi over Harden.
     
  17. J.R.

    J.R. Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    105,683
    Likes Received:
    151,231
  18. zeeshan2

    zeeshan2 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    Messages:
    46,328
    Likes Received:
    47,801
  19. Fantasma Negro

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2011
    Messages:
    12,390
    Likes Received:
    10,512
    The other guy, Oscar Robertson
     
    DonKnock likes this.
  20. ThatBoyNick

    ThatBoyNick Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2011
    Messages:
    27,517
    Likes Received:
    41,653
    MVP / COY / 6TH

    Rockets going to be drowning in reg season awards.
     
    DonKnock and da_juice like this.

Share This Page