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James Harden is gonna get screwed over again in MVP Voting

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by HardenTime, Jan 1, 2017.

  1. Mr. Clutch

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    Yeah, I just cringe when he does this.

    He's not wrong, but it's just gonna give voters another reason to not vote for Harden.
     
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  2. count_dough-ku

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    We're looking for consistency. Generally the MVP award is based on 3 main criteria: individual stats, team record, and preseason expectations vs actual performance(both for the individual and team). Harden easily meets and arguably surpasses all 3. Yet suddenly the latter two are being tossed aside to justify Westbrook(who frankly only meets the first one) being the runaway winner.
     
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  3. OTMax

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    Well just deal with it and show the hypocrisy later or let your game do the talking. Too bad, Harden will not play with more fire even if he misses out on the MVP award. Maybe it's better it's not announced now, would just mess with Harden, Morey and our whole team's head and take away their attention from winning games.
     
  4. JayGoogle

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    Wow....

    Steven A Smith making a case for Harden.

    He actually said "What were Anderson and Gordon doing before the season?" I mean really, it's taken the entire season for a sports talking head to bring that up. Until now people act as if Harden has Reggie Miller and Dirk on his team.
     
  5. Air Langhi

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    They were hurt a lot, but when they play they are good players.
     
  6. daywalker02

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    We probably do not care that much about an alledged rapist suspect.

    Not if they have this point system and people are also giving votes to Lebron, Kawhi, Durant, Curry.
     
  7. count_dough-ku

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    And idiot Kellerman pretty much ignores the question or pretends their underwhelming careers in New Orleans never happened. Everyone agrees that Anthony Davis is one of the best players on the planet. So why did the trio of Davis, Anderson, and Gordon accomplish diddly-poo with the Pelicans?

    Plus to add even more insult to injury, Kellerman has Harden 3rd on his MVP list?!
     
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  8. daywalker02

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    That is an argument.

    Anderson was much better in Orlando and Gordon was already good in LA with the Clips.

    Anderson isn't really that good as a Rocket.

    Gordon did profit from Harden and MDA but that is the only guy putting up borderline allstar stats. Capela is a tad behind.
     
  9. Daddy Long Legs

    Daddy Long Legs H- Town Harden

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    Kellerman is a cuck
     
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  10. Daddy Long Legs

    Daddy Long Legs H- Town Harden

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    Lol that has nothing to do with basketball or kobes mvp credentials.

    If you want to judge him morally as a human being then you have every right to given the accusation but it shouldnt affect your judgment of him as a bball player
     
  11. count_dough-ku

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    Anderson's been pretty good on the road. At home, he's a mediocre ballplayer. Gordon was terrific for part of November and almost all of December. Since then, he's been hot and cold(and usually cold). And as for Capela, let's not forget(as the media has apparently) that he missed over a month with a leg injury. And in the end, he's a promising but very inconsistent 22 year-old center.

    It's not that Harden doesn't have a good team around him. But honestly, it's been a crapshoot this season as far as who's gonna show up on any given night.
     
  12. daywalker02

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    No but we should not care about him. All there is to say about a Faker.

    As for MVP credentials, it does not help his case having Gasol or Shaq on the team most of the years.

    Gasol did perform as well as Kobe did in the Finals. Shaq was just on another level. And Bynum had very productive years.

    Right before his MVP season he wanted to be traded, whined alot, threw guys under the bus, was not a role model at all.
    He would chuck the life out of a team.

    You thought Mcgrady was bad, Kobe was 10 times worse as a teammate.

    And on top of all he was relatively healthy back then.

    Conclusion is I won't give him any more MVPs than he deserves, he just is not a good team player. Period.
     
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    Anderson's been pretty good on the road. At home, he's a mediocre ballplayer. Gordon was terrific for part of November and almost all of December. Since then, he's been hot and cold(and usually cold). And as for Capela, let's not forget(as the media has apparently) that he missed over a month with a leg injury. And in the end, he's a promising but very inconsistent 22 year-old center.

    It's not that Harden doesn't have a good team around him. But honestly, it's been a crapshoot this season as far as who's gonna show up on any given night.
     
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    Good players, yes, but so were Oladipo, Adams, and Kanter...but now they are Trash and Westbrook has to do everything himself? Give Harden Adams, PLEASE give him Adams and watch what happens...

    You know what? We Rocket fans are in a particular position. Harden was surrounded by talent last season. He had Dwight, he had Lawson, and that year everyone thought we could be contenders. From game one something wasn't right, we saw how good players could make the teammates around them look bad.

    Someone mentioned Kobe Bryant, how he should have more MVPs, the one time he lost was against Steve Nash. You want to talk about carrying trash? He actually did it. Lamar Odom was the only other respectable player on that team, the other guys were terrible. Bynum, on that team but he was still just a young player. Otherwise...Mihm, Luke Walton, Smush Parker, Kwame Brown....then as some odd F U to his own team Kobe had the superior suns on the ropes and just took game 7 off (He just took it off, oddest thing ever) and this was Kobe at his absolute best that season.

    Voters still gave it to Nash. Why? Winning.

    Kobe had a trashier team than Westbrook has now. I'm supposed to believe that Roberson, Gibson, Oladipo, Kanter are all garbage players...oh, and they have a prospect that everyone was gushing over before the season in Sabonis who will never flourish there mark my words because there is only room for one guy to succeed there right now.
     
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    We do not know when they are going to vote. June is the announcement date but they could vote as early as this month and wait it out.
     
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    I have no problem with Morey's tweet. If that simple tweet alone will sway voters from picking Harden as a 1st place candidate then maybe the NBA needs to re-evaluate who gets a vote. Also, I don't believe it will have a high impact as many here would suggest. I'm sure many voters have already submitted their ballot days/weeks before today.
     
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  18. Air Langhi

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    Kanter is very good offensive player, but he is so bad defensively you can't play him that much. I thought Adams would really breakout this year. Not sure why he isn't better. If not for salary conditions I would trade Capella for Adams. I think Adams in a better system would be balling. Maybe even Kantar since MDA really doesn't care about D that much.
     
  19. YOLO

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    adams isn't any different skill wise then the loads of other centers in the league like a drummond, dj, capella, plumlee etc
     
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