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James Harden follows the footsteps of Tracy McGrady, as far as efficiency is concerned

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  1. RoxD

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    In the first four years of their NBA careers, James Harden and Tracy McGrady have almost identical growth curve in efficiency rating, especially in the field of EFF.
    <center><table border="0"> <tr><td></td><td colspan="2" align="center">James Harden</td><td colspan="2" align="center">Tracy McGrady</td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#0069B9";font style="color:#ffffff;"><th>Year in NBA</th><th>　EFF<font style="color:#0069B9;">11</fond> </th><th>EFF48M<font style="color:#0069B9;">11</fond></th><th>　EFF<font style="color:#0069B9;">11</fond></th><th>EFF48M</th></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffff" ><td>　1st Year</td><td>　9.70</td><td>　20.35</td><td>　9.55</td><td>　24.90</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee" ><td>　2nd Year</td><td>　12.2</td><td>　21.91</td><td>　12.8</td><td>　27.18</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffff" ><td>　3rd Year</td><td>　17.5</td><td>　26.84</td><td>　17.5</td><td>　26.95</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td>　4th Year</td><td>　24.5</td><td>　30.66</td><td>　25.2</td><td>　30.16</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td>　5th Year</td><td>　　</td><td>　　 </td><td>　25.5</td><td>　31.94</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td>　6th year</td><td>　　</td><td>　　 </td><td>　28.8</td><td>　35.09</td></tr></table>(As of 4 March 2013)</center>
    The efficiency rankings of the Rockets are as follows:

    <table border="0"> <tr><td colspan="4" align="left" >The Rockets, Efficiency Ranking</td><td colspan="7" align="right">Season 2012-13</td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#0069B9";font style="color:#ffffff;"><th>RANK</th><th>NAME</th><th>　EFF</th><th>　　PER</th><th>　EFF48M</th><th>　EFF</th><th>　　PER</th><th>　EFF48M</th><th>　EFF</th><th>　　PER</th><th>　EFF48M</th></tr></tr> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td>4</td><td>James Harden</td> <td align="right">24.5</td><td align="right">23.68</td><td align="center" >30.66</td> <td align="right">23.2</td><td align="right">22.75</td><td align="center" >29.11</td> <td align="right">23.5</td><td align="right">23.22</td><td align="center" >29.46</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td>50</td><td>Omer Asik</td> <td align="right">17.2</td><td align="right">15.16</td><td align="center" >27.48</td> <td align="right">16.2</td><td align="right">14.42</td><td align="center" >26.36</td> <td align="right">16.7</td><td align="right">14.37</td><td align="center" >26.35</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td>53</td><td>Chandler Parsons</td> <td align="right">16.9</td><td align="right">15.26</td><td align="center" >22.35</td> <td align="right">16.3</td><td align="right">14.58</td><td align="center" >21.69</td> <td align="right">17.3</td><td align="right">15.19</td><td align="center" >22.37</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td>81</td><td>Jeremy Lin</td> <td align="right">15.0</td><td align="right">14.93</td><td align="center" >22.05</td> <td align="right">14.7</td><td align="right">14.14</td><td align="center" >21.34</td> <td align="right">15.0</td><td align="right">14.44</td><td align="center" >22.13</td> </tr> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td>168</td><td>Carlos Delfino</td> <td align="right">10.2</td><td align="right">12.97</td><td align="center" >18.90</td> <td align="right">10.7</td><td align="right">13.84</td><td align="center" >20.05</td> <td align="right">8.5</td><td align="right">9.98</td><td align="center" >16.42</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td>202</td><td>Patrick Beverley</td> <td align="right">8.8</td><td align="right">18.83</td><td align="center" >27.40</td> <td align="right">5.4</td><td align="right">16.54</td><td align="center" >23.50</td> <td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="center" ></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td>221</td><td>Greg Smith</td> <td align="right">8.1</td><td align="right">17.36</td><td align="center" >28.38</td> <td align="right">8.7</td><td align="right">19.73</td><td align="center" >29.02</td> <td align="right">9.8</td><td align="right">21.43</td><td align="center" >32.83</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td>253</td><td>Thomas Robinson</td> <td align="right">6.6</td><td align="right">11.04</td><td align="center" >20.10</td> <td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="center" ></td> <td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="center" ></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td>285</td><td>Francisco Garcia</td> <td align="right">5.7</td><td align="right">10.06</td><td align="center" >15.41</td> <td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="center" ></td> <td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="center" ></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td>332</td><td>Donatas Motiejunas</td> <td align="right">4.3</td><td align="right">17.23</td><td align="center" >25.10</td> <td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="center" ></td> <td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="center" ></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td>344</td><td>James Anderson</td> <td align="right">4.1</td><td align="right">15.23</td><td align="center" >23.02</td> <td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="center" ></td> <td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="center" ></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td colspan="2">Ranking in all NBA players</td> <td colspan="3" align="center">(As of March 4, 2013)</td> <td colspan="3" align="center">(As of Jan. 30, 2013)</td><td colspan="3" align="center">(As of Dec. 30, 2012)</td></tr></table>
     
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    cmon man.
     
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    James Harden and Tracy McGrady have almost identical growth curve in efficiency rating, especially in the field of EFF.
    <center><table border="0"> <tr><td></td><td colspan="2" align="center">James Harden</td><td colspan="2" align="center">Tracy McGrady</td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#0069B9";font style="color:#ffffff;"><th>Year in NBA</th><th>　EFF<font style="color:#0069B9;">11</fond> </th><th>EFF48M<font style="color:#0069B9;">11</fond></th><th>　EFF<font style="color:#0069B9;">11</fond></th><th>EFF48M</th></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffff" ><td>　1st Year</td><td>　9.70</td><td>　20.35</td><td>　9.55</td><td>　24.90</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee" ><td>　2nd Year</td><td>　12.2</td><td>　21.91</td><td>　12.8</td><td>　27.18</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffff" ><td>　3rd Year</td><td>　17.5</td><td>　26.84</td><td>　17.5</td><td>　26.95</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td>　4th Year</td><td>　24.6</td><td>　30.69</td><td>　25.2</td><td>　30.16</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td>　5th Year</td><td>　　</td><td>　　 </td><td>　25.5</td><td>　31.94</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td>　6th year</td><td>　　</td><td>　　 </td><td>　28.8</td><td>　35.09</td></tr></table>(As of 14 March 2013)</center>
    The efficiency rankings of the Rockets are as follows (Beverley moves down, and D-Mo moves up):

    <table border="0"> <tr><td colspan="4" align="left" >The Rockets, Efficiency Ranking</td><td colspan="7" align="right">Season 2012-13</td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#0069B9";font style="color:#ffffff;"><th>RANK</th><th>NAME</th><th>　EFF</th><th>　　PER</th><th>　EFF48M</th><th>　EFF</th><th>　　PER</th><th>　EFF48M</th><th>　EFF</th><th>　　PER</th><th>　EFF48M</th></tr></tr> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td>4</td><td>James Harden</td> <td align="right">24.6</td><td align="right">23.66</td><td align="center" >30.69</td> <td align="right">24.5</td><td align="right">23.68</td><td align="center" >30.66</td> <td align="right">23.5</td> <td align="right">23.22</td><td align="center" >29.46</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td>56</td><td>Omer Asik</td> <td align="right">17.2</td><td align="right">14.97</td><td align="center" >27.33</td> <td align="right">17.2</td><td align="right">15.16</td><td align="center" >27.48</td> <td align="right">16.7</td><td align="right">14.37</td><td align="center" >26.35</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td>57</td><td>Chandler Parsons</td> <td align="right">16.9</td><td align="right">15.42</td><td align="center" >22.37</td> <td align="right">16.9</td><td align="right">15.26</td><td align="center" >22.35</td> <td align="right">17.3</td><td align="right">15.19</td><td align="center" >22.37</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td>84</td><td>Jeremy Lin</td> <td align="right">14.8</td><td align="right">14.82</td><td align="center" >21.98</td> <td align="right">15.0</td><td align="right">14.93</td><td align="center" >22.05</td> <td align="right">15.0</td><td align="right">14.44</td><td align="center" >22.13</td> </tr> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td>165</td><td>Carlos Delfino</td> <td align="right">10.4</td><td align="right">13.29</td><td align="center" >19.4</td> <td align="right">10.2</td><td align="right">12.97</td><td align="center" >18.90</td> <td align="right">8.5</td><td align="right">9.98</td><td align="center" >16.42</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td>216</td><td>Patrick Beverley</td> <td align="right">8.2</td><td align="right">16.81</td><td align="center" >24.82</td> <td align="right">8.8</td><td align="right">18.83</td><td align="center" >27.40</td> <td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="center" ></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td>221</td><td>Greg Smith</td> <td align="right">8.0</td><td align="right">16.87</td><td align="center" >28.07</td> <td align="right">8.1</td><td align="right">17.36</td><td align="center" >28.38</td> <td align="right">9.8</td><td align="right">21.43</td><td align="center" >32.83</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td>237</td><td>Aaron Brooks</td> <td align="right">7.4</td><td align="right">12.14</td><td align="center" >17.38</td> <td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="center" ></td> <td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="center" ></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td>260</td><td>Thomas Robinson</td> <td align="right">6.5</td><td align="right">10.94</td><td align="center" >19.87</td> <td align="right">6.6</td><td align="right">11.04</td><td align="center" >20.10</td> <td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="center" ></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td>287</td><td>Francisco Garcia</td> <td align="right">5.6</td><td align="right">10.66</td><td align="center" >15.46</td> <td align="right">5.7</td><td align="right">10.06</td><td align="center" >15.41</td> <td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="center" ></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td>313</td><td>Donatas Motiejunas</td> <td align="right">4.9</td><td align="right">16.53</td><td align="center" >24.46</td> <td align="right">4.3</td><td align="right">17.23</td><td align="center" >25.10</td> <td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="center" ></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td>338</td><td>James Anderson</td> <td align="right">4.2</td><td align="right">16.01</td><td align="center" >23.82</td> <td align="right">4.1</td><td align="right">15.23</td><td align="center" >23.02</td> <td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="center" ></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td colspan="2">Ranking in all NBA players</td> <td colspan="3" align="center">(As of March 14, 2013)</td> <td colspan="3" align="center">(As of March 4, 2013)</td><td colspan="3" align="center">(As of Dec. 30, 2012)</td></tr></table>
     
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    James Harden and Tracy McGrady have almost identical growth curve in efficiency rating, especially in the field of EFF.
    This season it is a different story. <br />
    <center><table border="0"> <tr><td></td><td colspan="2" align="center"><b>James Harden</b></td><td colspan="2" align="center"><b>Tracy McGrady</b></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#0069B9";font style="color:#ffffff;"><th><b>Year in NBA</b></th><th>　<b>EFF</b><font style="color:#0069B9;">11</fond> </th><th><b>EFF48M</b><font style="color:#0069B9;">11</fond></th><th>　<b>EFF</b><font style="color:#0069B9;">11</fond></th><th><b>EFF48M</b></th></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffff" ><td>　1st Year</td><td>　9.70</td><td>　20.35</td><td>　9.55</td><td>　24.90</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee" ><td>　2nd Year</td><td>　12.2</td><td>　21.91</td><td>　12.8</td><td>　27.18</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffff" ><td>　3rd Year</td><td>　17.5</td><td>　26.84</td><td>　17.5</td><td>　26.95</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td>　4th Year</td><td>　24.0</td><td>　30.11</td><td>　25.2</td><td>　30.16</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td>　5th Year</td><td>　21.6</td><td>　26.82</td><td>　25.5</td><td>　31.94</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td>　6th year</td><td>　　</td><td>　　 </td><td>　28.8</td><td>　35.09</td></tr></table>(As of 5 December 2013)</center><br />
    The efficiency/contribution rankings of the Rockets are as follows (This season vs. last season):<br />
    <table border="0"> <tr><td colspan="6" align="left" ><b>The Rockets, Efficiency/contribution Ranking</b></td><td colspan="1" align="right"><b></b></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#0069B9";font style="color:#ffffff;"><th><b>PLAYER</b></th><th><b>GP</b></th><th>　<b>MIN</b></th><th>　　<b>EFF</b></th><th>　<b>EFF48M</b></th><th>　<b>EFF</b></th><th>　　<b>EFF48M</b></th><th>　<b></b></th><th>　<b></b></th><th>　　<b></b></th><th>　<b></b></th></tr></tr> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td>James Harden</td><td>16</td> <td align="right">38.7</td><td align="right"> <b> 21.63</b></td><td align="center" >26.82</td> <td align="right">24.0</td><td align="right">30.11</td><td align="center" ></td> <td align="right"></td> <td align="right"></td><td align="center" ></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td>Dwight Howard</td><td>20</td> <td align="right">33.3</td><td align="right"><b>21.30</b></td><td align="center" >30.70</td> <td align="right">22.2</td><td align="right">29.72</td><td align="center" ></td> <td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="center" ></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td>Chandler Parsons</td><td>18</td> <td align="right" > 37.2</td><td align="right"><b>19.17</b></td><td align="center">24.73</td><td align="right" >16.9</td> <td align="right">22.36</td><td align="right"></td><td align="center" > </td> <td align="right"> </td><td align="right"> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td>Jeremy Lin</td><td>16</td> <td align="right">30.1</td><td align="right"><b>15.44</b></td><td align="center" >24.62</td> <td align="right">14.7</td><td align="right">21.93</td><td align="center" ></td> <td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="center" ></td> </tr> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td>Omri Casspi</td><td>19</td> <td align="right">22.2</td><td align="right"><b>13.05</b></td><td align="center" >28.22</td> <td align="right">5.0</td><td align="right">20.43</td><td align="center" ></td> <td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="center" ></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td>Terrence Jones</td><td>17</td> <td align="right">22.9</td><td align="right"><b>12.94</b></td><td align="center" >27.13</td> <td align="right">7.7</td><td align="right">25.60</td><td align="center" ></td> <td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="center" ></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td>Patrick Beverley</td><td>17</td> <td align="right">31.6</td><td align="right"><b>11.35</b></td><td align="center" >17.24</td> <td align="right">8.6</td><td align="right">23.64</td><td align="center" ></td> <td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="center" ></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td>Omer Asik</td><td>17</td> <td align="right">18.3</td><td align="right"><b>8.59</b></td><td align="center" >22.53</td> <td align="right">17.2</td><td align="right">27.42</td><td align="center" ></td> <td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="center" ></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td>Francisco Garcia</td><td>19</td> <td align="right">21.4</td><td align="right"><b>8.37</b></td><td align="center" >18.77</td> <td align="right">5.9</td><td align="right">15.95</td><td align="center" ></td> <td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="center" ></td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td>Aaron Brooks</td><td>17</td> <td align="right">15.2</td><td align="right"><b>7.12</b></td><td align="center" >22.48</td> <td align="right">6.8</td><td align="right">17.24</td><td align="center" ></td> <td align="right"></td><td align="right"></td><td align="center" ></td> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"><td colspan="3">(As of 5 December 2013)</td> <td colspan="2" align="center">Current Season</td> <td colspan="2" align="center">Last Season</td><td colspan="3" align="center"></td></tr></table>
     
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    I would trade Harden for Tracy (injuries and all). Even 04-05 T-Mac where the pain came soon after, because I know it gives us a higher shot of winning a championship overall as long as Dwight stays healthy.

    BB & J
    McGrady / Garcia
    Parsons / Brewer
    Jones / Asik
    Howard / Asik
     
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    Before anyone says something let's compare the two.

    Defense - McGrady
    Scoring - McGrady
    Driving - Harden
    Converting And 1's - McGrady
    Passing - McGrady
    Court Vision - McGrady
    Rebounds - McGrady
    Steals - McGrady
    Blocks - McGrady
    Mid Range Jumper - McGrady
    Turnovers - McGrady
    Clutch - McGrady
    Free Throws - Harden
    Post Scoring - McGrady
    Fade away - McGady
    Shot off dribble - McGrady
    3 PT - McGradyDrawing Fouls - Harden
    Flopping - Harden
    Screaming (AAAAYYY McGrady)
    Consistency - Harden (barely & only because of last season)
    Ability to light it up and get hot in a hurry - McGrady (he would knock down 7 in a row like nothing)
    Leader - McGrady
    I.Q. - McGrady
     
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    First round exits- McGrady
     
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    Please don't compare the two. TMac is a much much more talented player than Harden.
     
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    Not counting the Spurs? That's gonna benefit me.

    Teammates on contending teams not counting the Spurs:

    All-Stars

    McGrady: Yao Ming
    Harden: Westbrook, Durant, Ibaka, Howard

    Role Players:

    McGrady: Battier, Brooks, Deke, Alston, Scola, Landry, Mike James, Hayes, Head, Bobby Jones, Novak, Juwan Howard, Kirk Snider, Swift, Padgett, Sura, Wesley, Barry
    Harden: Jeff Green, Asik, Parsons, Lin, Beverly, Brooks, Krstic, Jones, Garcia, Sefolosha, Jackson, Collison, Fisher & Perkins
    McGrady also has a top 5 all time playoff EFF rating and a game winner. I think McGrady's stats and accomplishments would be much higher if he had what Harden had.

    2011 that got swept in the finals:

    Westbrook
    McGrady
    Durant
    Ibaka
    Perkins
     
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    Doesn't compute
     
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    i know right? what the hell was he watching?
     
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    WILL BLACK AMISH LEAD US OUT OF THE 1ST ROUND???
    0-10 on 3's BRAIN DEAD
     
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    You made me do it!
     
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    Millions of delusional fans thinking he was almost Kobe - McGrady
    Booed at Toyota Center - McGrady
    "It's on me" - McGrady
    Fans who didn't pass the SAT - McGrady
     
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    LOL exactly what I was thinking
     
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    I think we've reached another level of clutchfans meltdown -> Comparing current star to TMac...
     
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    One thing for sure

    heart - Tmac and Harden the same
     
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    Someone should compared Tmac and Howard as both are natually gifted talented athletes. Someone go tell Howard to not end up like Tmac.
     
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    Harden makes T-mac's defense look like it's on the level of Tony Allen!
     
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