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James close to Sign With Rockets for 30million 5 years?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by rocketsinsider, Jul 6, 2006.

  1. studogg

    studogg Member

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    I completely agree. Even with getting a second rounder back, that is pretty rich. Although, if this works out for us, our first round pick may not be that far from their second rounder :D
     
  2. jopatmc

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    It's two separate deals from our end. Luther for basically nothing. And the pick and the TE for James. It works fine if they sign MJ to a contract starting at $4.3 million.
     
  3. WhoMikeJames

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    I don't wanna give up anything for him.
     
  4. Rockets111

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    Funny how just one day ago yall were saying we needed to do ANYTHING to get James here---give him as much money as he wants, as many years, etc.

    And NOW, when its reported that he's coming, yall start complaining like little girls again over the length of the contract.

    Incredible.
     
  5. WhoMikeJames

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    Anyone else have a feeling that James will come and suck horribly. Ruins our team somehow. :(
     
  6. jopatmc

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    I do. Especially if we can bring in someone like Jared Jeffries with our MLE.
     
  7. cdastros

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    Giving up luther Head and a 2007 1st rounder is way to much. The 2007 draft will be one of the deapest drafts ever. Plus Head did a good job shooting the 3 last year and will be even better this year. Rockets giving up 2 rotation players for 1 makes no sense.
     
  8. MaxRider

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    split the deal up
    4.2M TE for Mike James
    4.3M starting salary with 10.5% annual raise for 5 years

    Luther Head and '07 first round pick for future 2nd round pick

    it work if you look it this way
    Toronto is under the cap
    they can take back salary

    it's actually
    Moochie+Head+1st round for James+2nd round
     
  9. xlr817

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    Damn, I know CD will screw this one up, I hope they don't give up a first rounder in 2007 draft! I like Head But OK if traded. ;) :cool:
     
  10. RodrickRhodes

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    2007 1st rounder and luther head is way too much especially since james wants to come here....we're in the driver's seat...please cd don't let colangelo screw us the same way west did
     
  11. JayZ750

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    Giving up Luther Head AND next year's first round pick would be idiotic. You can count on it happening!
     
  12. jump shooter

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    I don't think I saw any team trade away a 2007 1st round draft pick during this last draft. The 2007 draft is supposedly going to be one of the richest drafts talent wise in a very long time. I would be hard pressed giving up our 1st round draft pick for next year, especially with T-Mac's back problems. This team is going to be in dire need of some youth, especially with the way we are giving it away.
     
  13. vlaurelio

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    he's trying to compare who can screw him better
     
  14. JumpMan

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    Mike James to Houston without a sign and trade is supposed to be announced tonight... So they say.
     
  15. hoopgod13

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    source? or another "insider" tip
     
  16. rocketsinsider

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    heres what i found about the trade exception rule

    69. What is a non-simultaneous trade?

    In some cases, teams have up to one year to acquire the replacement player(s) to complete a trade. These trades are considered non-simultaneous trades. In a non-simultaneous trade, a team can only acquire up to 100% plus $100,000 of the salary it gives up (as opposed to 125% plus $100,000 in a simultaneous trade). A trade in which more than one player is traded away can only be simultaneous; non-simultaneous trades are allowed only when a single player is traded away (although teams can sometimes find ways to configure multi-player trades as multiple single-player trades which are non-simultaneous).

    Here is an example of a non-simultaneous trade: a team trades away a $2 million player for a $1 million player. Sometime in the next year, they trade a draft pick (with zero trade value itself) for a $1.1 million player to complete the earlier trade. They ended up acquiring $2.1 million in salary for their $2 million player -- they just didn't do it all at once, or even necessarily with the same trading partner.


    In the above example, after the initial trade of the $2 million player for the $1 million player, it was like the team had a "credit" for one year, with which they could acquire up to $1.1 million in salaries without having to send out salaries to match. This credit is often referred to as a Traded Player exception or a trade exception, but be aware that the CBA uses the name "Traded Player exception" to refer to the entire exception which allows teams to make trades above the salary cap (including simultaneous trades, non-simultaneous trades, and base year compensation).

    There are some common misconceptions about non-simultaneous trades. For one, teams cannot use a Traded Player exception to sign free agents; it can be used only to acquire existing contracts from other teams. For another, teams cannot combine a Traded Player exception with other exceptions (such as the Mid-Level exception or the 125% plus $100,000 margin from another trade) in order to trade for a more expensive player. For example, a team with a $1 million Traded Player exception cannot combine it with their $2 million player to trade for a $3 million player (see question number 72 for more information on combining exceptions).



    Here is a more complicated example of a legal non-simultaneous trade: a team has a $4 million Traded Player exception from an earlier trade, and a $10 million player it currently wants to trade. Another team has three players making $4 million, $5 million and $7 million, and the teams want to do a three-for-one trade with these players. This is legal -- the $5 million and $7 million players together make less than the 125% plus $100,000 allowed for the $10 million player ($12,600,000), and the $4 million player exactly fits within the $4 million Traded Player exception. So the $4 million player actually completes the previous trade, leaving the two teams trading a $10 million player for a $5 million and a $7 million player. From the other team's perspective it's all just one big simultaneous trade: their $4 million, $5 million and $7 million players for the $10 million player.


    Again, non-simultaneous trades are not available when a team trades away multiple players (aggregates). Let's say a team has a $4 million player and a $5 million player, and uses the Traded Player exception to trade for an $8 million player. Even though they trade away more salary ($9 million) than they receive ($8 million), the fact that they aggregated the two players means they do not gain a Traded Player exception. However, it is sometimes possible to reorganize these trades so that players technically are not aggregated. A good example of this occurred in 2004 when Houston traded Steve Francis, Cuttino Mobley and Kelvin Cato to Orlando for Tracy McGrady, Juwan Howard, Tyronn Lue and Reece Gaines. As a single trade, it could only be simultaneous since multiple players were moving each way. However, Houston was able to reorganize the trade into three separate trades. In one trade, they acquired McGrady and Gaines for Mobley and Cato. In another trade, they acquired Howard and Lue using an existing Traded Player exception from their earlier Glen Rice trade. That left them trading Francis essentially by himself for nothing, which generated a new Traded Player exception in the amount of Francis' base year value. From Orlando's perspective, it was a single, simultaneous three-for-four trade.

    Teams can consume only part of a Traded Player exception, in which case they can still use the remainder in a future trade. For example, if a team trades a $4 million player for a $2 million player, they gain a $2.1 million Traded Player exception. If they later trade a draft pick for a $1 million player, they still have $1.1 million remaining to acquire more players and complete the trade (until one year from the date of the original trade).

    mabey someone can break this down into english, but from what i got from it you cant combine a TE with a existing player
     
  17. JumpMan

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    A friend of mine who scouts some e-mailed me that... We'll see I guess.
     
  18. francis 4 prez

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    who is "they"?
     
  19. MaxRider

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    i think most of us know how the trade exception work
    that's why it's actually 2 seperate deals

    4.2M TE for James
    and
    Head + '07 1st round for future 2nd round
     
  20. Aruba77

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    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

    I thought we are trying to add depth to our team. Luther and a 1st rounder is way, way, way too much for Mike James. If this goes down, I will be just as upset as the Battier trade.

    Way too much to give up. Way.......
     

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