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James' agent wants a sign-and-trade?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Possum, Jul 6, 2006.

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  1. thephatp

    thephatp Member

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    Looks like this was released about 7 hours ago, so probably around 7am (5am PST, 6am Mountain -- can't remember what Las Vegas is), so HIGHLY doubt this is AFTER his talks with the three teams today in Vegas.
     
  2. JayZ750

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    Realgm has it up on the main page, and is reporting:

    "Mike James may be on his way back to the Houston Rockets for a deal rumored at roughly $30 million over five years."

    www.realgm.com
     
  3. Rileydog

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    Flesh this out for me. I don't see the issue.

    1. Toronto is under the cap.
    2. Croshere's expiring contract is attractive if Toronto wants to dump a bad, long term contract. Does it have one? Assuming it does, how does that get Mike James to Dallas? Croshere's expiring contract in a SNT for Mike James would leave Toronto worse off than if they just let James walk.
     
  4. justtxyank

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    Isn't Toronto under the cap now?

    Therefore, how does it get them additional cap space if they sign James for x dollars and then trade him for a player with a salary of x that expires next year. They have x amount in cap space now and the expiring contract would do nothing but take up that space for a year.
     
  5. Rox_fan_here

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    Do you think Toronto would be willing to S&T with Dallas if they agreed to take trade Croshere for a longer contract. Do you think Dallas wants MJ that bad?
     
  6. jev5555

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    MJ is an unrestricted FA meaning Toronto has no rights to him anymore. I'm sure Toronto favors a S&T because they can at least gain something from their "rent-a-player". I think we send them a 2nd round pick and call it a day. You may be able to try and unload Jhow...but that leaves us with an even bigger hole at PF.
     
  7. thephatp

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    Let go of your worries. Toronto is already under the cap so an expiring contract doesn't do anything other than force toronto to take on a salary that it currently doesn't have to pay. Therefore, the Mav's would have to add something significant to sweeten the deal and that would only leave draft picks. I would seriously doubt they would dangle a first and based upon recent records, I would wager that the rockets second round pick would be more valuable than the Mav's.

    James agent is making a last ditch effort to get his client more than the MLE. Unless they (james and agent) are ok with accepting a total contract greater than current offer with the years starting at a lower point (4.3 mill first year), I don't see a sign n trade being possible.
     
  9. thephatp

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    So, if James is really signing a 5 year, $30 mil contract, that means he's getting an average of $6 mil a year. Does that imply that we're signing him with the MLE??

    Man, I was really getting on board with the TE deal. Oh well, if it doesn't happen.
     
  10. Rileydog

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    I didn't find a contract on Toronto's books that is worse then Croshere's. I'm not the best researcher, but that's what I found.
     
  11. Yetti

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    This hole won't be a problem !!! It will only force the rockets to get up off their rear ends and do something about it!!! Y
     
  12. smoothie

    smoothie Jabari Jungle

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    you can't combine the TE with a player in a trade.
     
  13. Untraceable

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    If we get mike that will have to be the best trio in the nba. 3 players that average 20-plus but can light you up for 30 on any given night!

    *Forrest gump's voice* I like it, I like it alot!
     
  14. Rox_fan_here

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    Rileydog, thanks for clearing this up for me. I feel better. Man do I feel better.
     
  15. jopatmc

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    Yao 25
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    SB 12
    RA 8
    JH 8
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    Rest ???


    Anybody think we won't average 100 ppg next season?
     
  16. Rileydog

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    Discount all of the above by 16%. Call it the "Van Gundy Adjustment".
     
  17. johnkamla

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    When did Fred Jones become an MLE-worthy player? I highly question whether he's even better than Luther Head. Here's how they compare head-to-head last year:

    Jones:
    min-27 pt-9.6 fg-42% 3pt-34%

    Head:
    min-29 pt-8.8 fg-40% 3pt-36%

    Jones has four yrs in the league averaging 7.7 ppg in that time. Less upside than Head IMO. Do you think Head's undersized? He's an inch taller and 3 yrs younger than Fred Jones. I don't get the Jones-love. Keep Luther unless we can get a true MLE guy.
     
  18. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    Fred Jones is 6'4 and 218lbs. Luther Head is 6'3" and 185 lbs. Jones is taller and MUCH stronger (strong like Wesley.) The key is because Jones is strong (even though he is only 6'4") he has the strength to guard taller and stronger SGs, Head cannot. Jones is also a very good finisher (dunker) in transition.
     
  19. johnkamla

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    Deuce,
    NBA.com says he's 6'2". And he looks about that tall. I agree that he would be more Wesley-like in perimeter and post-up D but the MLE is for guys like Mike James, not Fred Jones.
     
  20. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    Some sites list him at 6'2, some at 6'4". Let's put it this way, if Jones is 6'2" then Head is 6'0".

    MLE is for average players. That's why it is the "mid" level exception. Traditionally you dont get star players with the MLE unless it is a buyers market. James is a great value for the MLE. I think Fred Jones is with MLE money. But at the same time, since he is a RFA, it means the Rockets would have to offer the entire MLE just to scare off the Pacers from matching. RFA's tend to make one overpay because of that.
     

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