Due to the 2nd apron, we cannot give each player we draft…. a max contract. Some immature teams(Orlando) are giving players the max but not fully understanding the new rules. MAX contracts are for MAX players! GM are suppose to give Max contracts to Top 10 players at their position. Right now, Sengun is a top 10 center in the NBA(7th in my personal top 10) and is only 21 years old….he should receive the MAX. Jalen is NOT a top 10 guard, below average shooter, average defender AND inconsistent player. Sengun, Amen and maybe Jabari if he can shoot 40% at the three point line will be MAX players….jury still out on Cam and Reed.
I think he will get a little bit better at shooting. It's hard to imagine he doesn't. I also think his percentages would improve in a lighter role against bench units. I'm just not convinced he will get enough better to start on a championship-contending team given his other limitations.
The sad thing is this poll forgets to asks the most important question which is optimistic pessimistic of “what” happening? I said I’m reasonably optimistic…of Jalen being a decent starting SG in the league for years to come - but I don’t think he is ever going to be more than a top 20-25 player in the league at best…and likely more like the 30-35th best player in the league. I think he is fairly close to the comp for him in the draft which was a Zach Levine/Bradley Beal type…those are good players, starting SGs and they may make an All Star game or two but you aren’t winning a title if that’s your best or even 2nd best dude. …but just because he was picked with the 3rd pick, he doesn’t have to be your best player. I think if you can get away with giving him less than the max, he is worth signing even if you just trade him. At this point I’m more interested in seeing what Cam can do and then we can pick and choose who is the SG of the future for us and trade the other provided they are on a reasonable contract.
I think he’ll get a little better at shooting mechanics and a lot better at shot selection. If he doesn’t reduce his attempts, I expect league average from him (36.6%). You can’t expect mechanics to improve too fast but a season and a summer under Udoka along with being a contract year is going to wisen him up. He seemed to respond well to the coaching, had a very resilient “get in the gym” mentality. He has always been allowed to take way too many 3’s I don’t know how he’s even gotten away with it. Jalen Green averaging 7 3PA in his first few years is baffling. How did someone - even in the middle of tanking - not pull him aside and tell him he’s nowhere near good enough to take that many? Has been ridiculous to watch. Is it that hard to say “take it to the rim or pass it quickly”. I thought it would be fixed under Udoka but the situation made it necessary for Green to act like some kind of catch and shoot threat with the paint all clogged up. That’s not who he is at all. He attacks the rim, that’s his #1 thing. Was always going to take a few years to work on his shooting and Silas was useless the first two years. He should have been taking 3-5 attempts in his career. His efficiency would be much better and he could develop the volume slowly. In the period while he develops his game, Green needs a good pace and good spacing in order to attack the rim relentlessly. That’s by far the most valuable thing he can deliver for a team. Forcing the defense to collapse over and over again is in the 1% of 1% of important skills in the NBA. If all you need to do is create space and pace while the guy gets stronger, wiser and sharpens his skills for a few seasons, you do it at least for the time being. I’m optimistic the Rockets understand this because Udoka has mentioned Sengun and Green working on their shooting this summer as well as (separately) an overall roster focus on improving shooting internally this summer. If Sengun can hit 33% on 2 3PA and Green gets to league average shooting it changes everything. We can have them doing tons of damage simultaneously which is exactly what our offense needed last season. *Fingers crossed* I think we’ll start to see the benefits of hiring a strong development staff to build this team from next season.
I don’t know if that’s true that no one chooses Green as that’s an assumption. I support our players and I understand and believe in growth and development and not rushing to judgment or knee jerk reactions. And if you remember it took Brown at least 4 years to establish an identity as a player and solidify himself as playmaker and scorer. He wasn’t always a superstar year 1 or even year 4. And I still think Brown is limited in what he can do on the court despite him being a very good player. I’m excited for Green and this team and can’t wait to see them next season. And no that’s not my premise. My premise was about the flaw in relying on the arbitrary 35 plus 3 pt % within a player’s first 3 years as an indicator or reliable measurement of the quality or effectiveness of the player.
Did someone tell Luka not to shoot his first 2 years in the league? He avg 7.1 and 8.9 first 2 years shooting .327 and .316. The worst thing you can do as a coach is tell a player he can’t do something. That limits a player and can affect confidence and may stunt growth. Coaches always advocate taking an open shot and empower players to do this. They preach decision making and reading defenses but no coach tells a player to not shoot when they’re open. That’s why there’s a thing called growth in terms of simply shooting better or making the right reads.
So wait, Jalen's not a top 10 player but Amen is? Dude averages straight up roleplayer numbers, not even an average shooter/anything on offense but is apparently a max player? Come on now, how can you even read what you just wrote and take it seriously?
Jalen Green isn't a max player now. I think he will be by the end of next season but disagreeing here is rational so if you don't think he will be a max player by the end of next season, I get it. It's a 50/50 call at this point. Debating about whether Jalen eventually will become a max player is reasonable. I'm just perplexed how the **** did you get to the conclusion about Jabari relative to Green? That one makes no sense.
I purposely avoided a specific criteria, and here is why. Folks seem to disagree not only on what they think of Jalen Green, but what he has to do to be successful. If I made the poll about his defense, there would be those that say no, he needs to improve his decision making. If I made it about decision making, folks would say its about his shooting. If I made it about his shooting, asking whether he can get to 35% 3pt shooter, then folks would say he needs to be t a 37% 3pt shooter, and on and on. This way, folks can insert their own criteria and vote whether he gets there or not.
I think his main point was consistency and his basis for his assessment was on Amen’s potential. But Amen has yet to show us he can shoot beyond layups and dunks.
Issue with Jalen is that he can't really score within the flow of the offense. He can score within the flow of Jalen Green. Someone compared his March to Linsanity and I'd have to agree. I just dont see how anyone can see Jalen's history as well as his personality and feel comfortable saying that he's going to put it together.
There are exactly 50 max contracts currently and dating back to 2016. 19 current Max Contracts 31 upcoming and past Max contracts http://nbamaxcontracts.com/nba-max-contracts/#currentmax
Jalen has all the tools and a 3 level scoring skillset. Unlike a lateral quickness-limited guy like Haliburton, there’s nothing inherently wrong with Jalen where you have to concede he’ll be a bad defender for his career. The inconsistency, with admittedly great flashes sprinkled in, suggests that as he gets older he will eventually put it together. It will just take him longer to do it. Someone like Markinnen is a good example of a player on a disorganized franchise who got bailed on after his rookie contract, who became a superstar later in his career. As far as shooting, 34% career from 3 isn’t good, but it’s certainly passable and something we can also expect to see improvements on as his shot profile improves with more talent and spacing around him. Edwards and SGA are 35%, for instance, and Morant is 32%, and I don’t hear anybody complaining about those numbers. It’s just harder when so many of your threes are off the dribble. I’m on team extend both guys. Even on max contracts they will have positive value and can be moved with ease if need be.
Yeah his "point" is nonsense. You can't criticise one person and say he's not a star because his shot is inconsistent (he literally has several games scoring over 40 points with 60%fg and 40% from 3) and then say somebody who can't shoot at all is a future superstar despite never ever putting up anything resembling a good shooting game and only has high percentages because his shot profile is similar to Clint Capelas and almost anybody would have a good "efficiency" if they only had to shoot open shots from within 2 feet of the basket...Any "point" these people think they're making never holds up to the slightest scrutiny.
Markannen is a good All Star but he ain't a superstar, that is a tier he has not reached and probably would not reach.
Consistency is what makes stars great. He has never proven to be consistent at scoring efficiently and he is a SG! He has never proven to be consistent at defense. He has never proven he can dribble well. He is consistently an elite athlete, but that has been about it. We need to move on while he still has some value to another team.
"He has never been proven to dribble well".... Lol wut Just curious. On this roster who dribbles better than Jalen? FVV? That's about it.
What load of nonsense to sht on green. I can see why folks are wary to not give green the max, but your reasoning are quite stupid. U do not give a max contact to a player simply bc he's top 10 player in their position. Ideally u r suppose to give it to top 20 player in the league. If sengun is only the 7th best center where would he even rank in the top 50 player list for u? If sengun is only the 7th best center according to u that means there are at least 30 players (in all postions) ranked higher. I didn't even add the other 7th rank position players. And that's your reasoning for why sengun should get the max? Hatred for green makes folk stupider it seem.
