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Jalen's future. Optimist or pessimist?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jim1961, Jul 4, 2024.

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Are you optimistic or pessimistic about Jalen's future?

Poll closed Oct 4, 2024.
  1. Very optimistic

    34 vote(s)
    11.0%
  2. Somewhat optimistc

    84 vote(s)
    27.2%
  3. On the fence

    66 vote(s)
    21.4%
  4. Somewhat pessimistic

    86 vote(s)
    27.8%
  5. Very pessimistic

    39 vote(s)
    12.6%
  1. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Member

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    Everything else?

    Like do you think Brown handles the ball better?

    Murray is smaller and less athletic.

    Booker? Worse handles, stronger, not as agile. His consistent shooting is truly the only thing that separates him currently

    Mitchell? Probably the closest to Jalen skillsets but smaller and not as athletic. Definitely stronger and a more consistent shooter.
     
  2. Hemingway

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    I edited my post because I knew it was hyperbolic and didn’t want to get in a pissing match on every player.
     
  3. fchowd0311

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    Guys like Booker were a lot worse inside the three point line compared to Jalen in their respective first three years.

    For example Booker shot 60% from inside the restricted area in his third year vs Jalen at 70%.
     
  4. Bobbythegreat

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    No they wouldn't. They'd adjust to the new era by learning how to shoot the 3 because they had that kind of work ethic.... and if they didn't, they'd be relegated to a defensive specialist in the case of MJ and Kobe.... since, you know, they were two way players unlike Jalen. AI would really struggle to get playing time in this era if he didn't learn to shoot.
     
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  5. Dobbizzle

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    You said he won't be a star unless he shoots 38% That's what I debated and showed to be demonstrably false, as plenty of star SG's don't shoot 38% Incidentally Jalen's FG% was 42.3% star player Devin Booker's was 49.2%. Just to illustrate how close that is Jalen hit 563/1332 and would need to hit 655/1332 to hit star player Booker's numbers. That's hitting an additional 1.1 of his shots a game. Your take is ridiculous.

    Just to add, for Jalen to get to Booker's 3p% he'd need to hit 220/605 instead of the 201/605 he did hit. That's a quarter of an additional 3 a game, (well, 23.1% of a 3 point) or an extra made 3 every 4 games. He's so much closer to being a star scorer than you're making out here, are you sure you understand numbers?
     
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    I'm just glad Udoka isn't afraid to take him off the floor. Bro was under 30% from 3 between December and March. Westbrook level, in his 3rd season. You can't blame Sengun's style of play for missing open 3s. I've been told he has Mamba mentality working on his game, so, we'll see, but I chose very pessimistic. He above anyone needs to prove it before getting that max rookie extension.
     
  7. Bobbythegreat

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    This is an argument either intended to dupe dumb people or a result of you being a dumb person.

    Just because a number is small does not make it insignificant.

    Booker's 3 point percentage last year was the 105th best among qualified players, Jalen's was 149th

    Now, of course that wasn't a terribly good season from Booker either... for example, a few seasons back when he was in the MVP conversation, Booker shot 38.3% from 3 which would have been 71st among qualified players last season.

    A small numerical difference makes a massive difference in the quality of player we're talking about.

    5% is the difference between Jalen Green and the absolute worst 3 point shooter in the NBA.

    3.8% is the difference between Jalen and being a top 100 3 point shooter.

    12.9% is the difference between Jalen and the best shooter in the NBA.

    They are all small numbers, but smash numbers make all the difference in the world.
     
  8. fchowd0311

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    It's why the whole Sengtard narrative pushing to move Jalen is so annoying. They've shown loads of chemistry since day 1, they've just never actually been featured together. You either had the KPJ and Green show under Silass or the Sengun and FVV zimmer-frame world tour. Sengun/Green is the 2 man game we should be playing, no slow ass FVV meandering back and forth in the lane whilst the D stands still.
     
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  10. Easy

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    I wonder how Fred's chart looks.
     
  11. leebigez

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    https://nbadraftroom.com/p/evan-mobley/

    He wasn't ever compared to those guys. If you watch them play, he's doing exactly what he was projected. Not to mention, his maturity isn't never in question. One of the Rox biggest questions is what? Rim protection, right?
     
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    Just make the right play when called upon. Play to your strength and have good shot recognition, that's all
     
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    You've invented this 'if he made 1 more shot a game he'd be amazing' BS and hang on to it like a prize horse.

    Sure, if it's that easy then all players in the league would do it and JG would end up having to make yet another shot per game.

    And you are asking us to believe in that for a player whose improvement pace has been pretty slow for three years now. Amen, Cam etc all made significant progress within a single season. Tari and Sengun exploded. Jabari is ticking along, maybe not signaling star but on a good trajectory. JG is the last person I'd trust to develop in a sustained fashion when he hasn't at all the last 3 years. Blame him and not us for not consistently showing up.

    Yes, his flashes are real and promising otherwise none of us would be having this conversation year after year. Still don't think he's a bust, or his chances at becoming a star is zero.That being said, I think the likelihood of it happening in Houston is diminishing by the day. He's also a bit of an odd man out at this point in the roster as he is right now. While I will still have some anxiety if he ever gets traded and personally curious to see what will happen of him, at this point I'm OK with it because we are at a point where being indecisive is hurting us more.
     
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    I don’t believe Jalen and Jabari will be on this team in the long run. Jalen will either get traded or won’t be re-signed.

    Cam whitmore is bigger, stronger, better shooter and more consistent than green.
     
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    You say he wasn't compared to those guys but it literally compares him to Chris Bosh right in your link. I saw those comparisons, but regardless, my point is that people expected him to have an offensive game and he doesn't. He's just another defensive big with 0 offensive game. Yeah, the defense is good, the rim protection is good, but he's still been very disappointing offensively.
     
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    Seeing as how this team's issue is not defense as it is already one of the better defensive squads in the entire league, but shot creation and shot making, replacing Green with Mobley with the current roster construction would make this team worse.

    The swap would make the Cavs worse also as they already have a veteran better at what Green does currently in Mitchell and would lose a lot of their defensive identity.

    Both teams drafted who they needed
     
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    What do you personally Stone was referring to when he said Jalen has a skillsets that is not currently replicable on this roster?

    What is that specific skillsets which implies that Can Whitmore doesn't have?
     
  18. bustamove

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    career 33% 3pt shot creation? LOL
     
  19. Easy

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    Rockets had a top 10 defense without a rim protector. Of course, it would help us to be even better. But defense wasn't the problem. Offense was. We had a bottom 10 offense. Mobley wouldn't have helped. He's not a better offensive player than either Sengun or Smith.

    I'm not saying Green over Mobley was the right pick. But it's not as clear cut as you think.
     
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    "Jalen is the only SG we have that can create for himself so we're kinda stuck with him until further notice but there's this Leave it to Beaver looking white boy in the draft that we're hoping falls to us that might give us an alternative"
     
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