Non-starting caliber 2's: Michael Jordan Kobe Bryant Dwyane Wade Allen Iverson Clyde Drexler George Gervin Tracy McGrady Amongst many others. Maybe this 33% for the career line in the sand you've drawn actually has no real bearing on anything after all, considering all of your SG's with higher percentages have worse careers than these guys...
To be fair this is a new era But it's still a stupid comment. Yes if Jalen wants to be a SUPERSTAR he'd probably need to approach 40% from three. But you can see from some posters here that people think Green has no unicorn traits where they believe he has to be an excellent shooter just to be starting caliber in the NBA which is absurd. I don't think a 6'6" dude with agile and handles of elite quick small guards like Maxey, Ja, Fox who are all much smaller has to be a elite shooter to be merely setting caliber. That's stupid. Someone with that ability shooting 40% from three would be a top 5 player in the league. If Jalen Green hovers around 35-38% from 3 for the rest of his career he will make multiple all-star selections.
When you have to go exclusively by players from different eras in an effort to prove a point, you prove you don't have a point. In the current era, shooting guards have to be able to shoot the 3. Full stop. The fact that 30 or 40 years ago efficient 3 point shooting standards were MUCH lower does not change the standards today.
I agree with this. In order to be a star, Jalen has to shoot 38% or better from 3. His quickness and handling are elite. His shot selection must become better and defense continue to progress to be a star. I think he does it eventually, but probably not for the Rockets. He really has only this year to prove himself, because some team will give him the max on just marginal improvement.
A taller Dearan Fox doesn't need to shoot 38% from three to be a star. He needs to shoot better but 38% at high volume with his off the dribble step backs and bail out threes is an elite shooter. Green doesn't need to be an elite shooter to be a star. He does though if he wants to be a superstar. He needs to be a consistent shooter to be a star though. That I absolutely agree with.
We saw in his 8 games in March what a Jalen Green that can shoot the 3 looks like and it was awesome. Now, he's not hitting 47% of his 3's for a season, but if he can be 80% of that, he's a star. That would take absolutely massive improvement... but if he does it his entire career trajectory changes in an instant.
Agreed, I do my best to champion the players that are performing well but also to be critical about the same players when they're not playing as well as their potential has shown itself to be. It's not easy to cheer on a rebuilding team... I can't imagine being a Hornets fan, sheesh! They have to have the toughest times picking within the lottery nearly every year hoping to find some semblance of a contender, year after year. Nonetheless, I know when my TEAMS players are not performing well and I do my best to be just with my assessment/judgments over cherry picking who I want to sh** on and who I choose to prop up for my own narrative. These guys know what they're doing here and it's pretty freakin toxic but if that's the life they choose to live for themselves, more power to them... to wish someone was gone is pretty petty though. Shows true colors at that point.
38% isn’t elite. Make it league average for a SG then. To be a star he needs a much better and consistent 3 pt shooter. It is a big ask for him to make that leap this year. If he improves to say 35% this year on less attempts it will show up in the W/L column and I’d be ok with keeping him. Another 33% shooting year and he is gone and will have to do it with someone else. That is with continued improvement in shot selection and defense. I think Jalen can be an all-star someday. The contract situation is the issue. If Jalen is early season Jalen again this year, we have to find another solution at his spot to make the playoffs. The Rockets will have a short leash. I hope he responds well to the pressure.
Well, your whole stance changes in an instant but reality is that some of his big time weaknesses will absolutely remain intact when his play found consistency. This whole Dr. Jekyll Mr. Hyde scenario can get better but I do not see that ever disappear. The Ime led Rockets will surely make him a much better player, thing is Ime will not be his last coach.
My stance would change because the reality would change. A 38% 3 point shooting Jalen Green would be good enough offensively to overcome his shortcomings elsewhere. He'd go from the 0 way player he has been his first 3 years in the league to being a solid one way player. Now do I think that's realistic? No. I think he is who we've seen him be, a godawful chucker.... but if it changes, it would be awesome.
38% for any guard with his type of shot selection (bail out shots, difficult step backs etc) would be an elite shooter. 40+% with his shot selection would make him a legendary shooter
Saying "he can't be expected to shoot a high percentage because he's an incredibly low BBIQ player who takes a ton of dumb shots he shouldn't" isn't really defending the player the way you think it is. A big reason he's not a good player is his pathetically low BBIQ... that's the main thing he needs to overcome.
Obviously this upcoming year can change a lot of things, but assuming he's still the same guy he was last year, he most likely outcome is that if the Rockets need the capspace for someone, they are waiving him. And if they don't need the space, he gets the QO at $16mil and the Rockets try him in a different role, he gets traded to somewhere for peanuts, or someone make a big RFA and the Rockets just don't match. Jalen Green at this point is just a year-to-year kinda guy. You hope he figures out but any long term contract can become a liability.
And in this new era, MJ, Iverson and Kobe would still shoot like that from 3, whilst averaging more points than they did in their own day. Jalen aint Reggie Miller, he's not that archetype. He's the MJ/Kobe/Carter/Tmac jumps out of the building super speedy archetype, and historically they're more successful than Reggie and Ray.
Current star SG's in the league 3p% last season: Donovan Mitchell 36% Devin Booker 36% Anthony Edwards 35% Jaylen Brown 35% Dejounte Murray 36% So you're basically holding Jalen to a standard that none of the stars are really hitting? This is the problem, y'all don't seem to realise that star player/lead scoring guards don't tend to have the same high shooting percentages as specialist roleplayers. If Jalen was a PG (the actual position in the NBA where the star shooters tend to be in 2024) then we might have some worries, but he's not so he doesn't need to hit 38%. Amen however...
Yup and I would say Jalen is the most gifted athlete of that group which means he has more to fall back on if he isn't a great shooter.
I said if he got to 35% with better efficiency and continued improvement in other areas I would keep him. Let’s not forget Jalen also sucks at every other shooting area other than free throws.
after his 3rd year when it comes to chucking from beyond the arc, he's alot closer to Jordan Poole than any of those guys And Book, Ant, and JB actually average only less than 7 3PAs per game. https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?CF=FG3A*GE*7&SeasonType=Regular Season&dir=D&sort=FG3_PCT
