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Jalen Green will be the Rockets' Numero Uno

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kpdark, Jan 2, 2024.

  1. roslolian

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    Jalen can def win those matchups the problem is his shot if it is off like tonight its gonna tank our offense. He should be able to make those wide open shots cuz with the double big those open looks are gonna be there.
     
  2. Furious_Alpi_Fan

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    We just need that one of 30 points in game 7
     
  3. ApacheWarrior

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    Correct on VanVleet. As I said before the playoffs, teams are going to try to take away options one
    and two on offense.....make the rest of the team beat them.

    I would have had a good 3rd option because #1 or #2 option does enough to contribute. Counting on
    VanVleet to excel for a first round is asking a lot....but then there is a second round, and then there
    is a third round and then there is a finals series.

    Jalen is being keyed on, AS OUR OPPONENT ADMITS TO BLITZING HIM TO WHAT....
    GET THE BALL OUT OF HIS HANDS!!

    Jalen isn't getting the open 3's as everyone else will get. Steven Adams has helped
    keep the Warriors from shutting down Sengun completely....but when Jalen gets
    the ball back and drives the defense resets in the paint and focus on stopping Jalen
    and allow Adams to do what he wishes.

    So in essence Jalen should attack and Adams will clean up any miss. But Jalen rammed
    knees with Curry last game (Game 5) and has a knee contusion. Jalen still plays but
    most players wimp out and sit for games. Green had 6 quick points in Game 5 and was
    on pace for 26 points before said collision.

    Jalen is doing adequate as a decoy....VanVleet would get more attention if Jalen sat on the bench.
    Jalen was around plus 17 or 20 without scoring much.

    Rockets out rebounded the Warriors by around 3.
    Neither Jalen or VanVleet got many points in the paint.
    Rockets 11 fast break points to Warriors 28
     
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  4. deb4rockets

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    Are you saying that until Amen or Sengun ever become good 3 PT shooters that we will always have a packed paint with them both on the floor and no spacing to drive? Does Adams in there too make that 3 non-shooters? That could take a lot more than another summer. Some guys never become good 3 PT shooters, and they are usually the ones who stay below average making free throws.
     
  5. dobro1229

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    IMO what makes that lineup playable and a positive is their ability to get back on defense on the break, and be quick on switches. That’s actually the big liability in the modern nba with going old school big almost more than shooting/spacing.

    Sengun to his credit has been really good on D despite me really being down on his D all season long. When he moves over to the 4 he’s surprising better I think than he is at the 5. That’s been a big deal for that lineups success I think.

    The shooting… look I think you are making a great point about the unlikeliness of Amen and Sengun both suddenly being able to shoot. I’d like to see both first be able to shoot inside the arc first and at least be able to space the way Scola was able to or the way Pau Gasol was able to. I think modeling Sengun’s game after Pau makes a ton of sense and Amen after Pippen makes sense to me in terms of both of them really maximizing their potential.

    On offense they both can improve without needing to suddenly be 3 point shooters. It’s more about just overall being better offensively and the coach really knowing how to get the ball moving in a half court set.

    I love Steven Adams with this team and love Jabari’s fit too for the versatility he can bring. I do think it makes sense to try and draft and develop a big to understudy Adam’s next season and make sure we bring him back win or lose.

    Double big lineup IMO isn’t going anywhere as long as Sengun is here. Sengun is looking more and more like a natural 4 every day.
     
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  6. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Some guys never become good shooters, but if you have data that says they work hard off the court, the coaching staff is locked in on it and they show some decent progression then we would be very unlucky if none of them improve.

    Yes of course if you have 2 non-shooters on the floor your spacing will be bad. That's just how spacing takes place. You will have to find other ways to score for example Kevin Durant can make contested jumpers (demands a double team) or you go to the post or you grab a historic amount of your own misses.

    If you look at the frequency in which Amen and Green drive to the basket, it's very very low. Let's say you don't like Jalen. Amen is certainly capable of getting to the rim more often and taking more shots in general. It's just not a good shot though, his defender + Sengun + Sengun's defender are typically all crowding the paint.
     
  7. RHU525

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    You just posted a bunch of excuses for Jalen that really hold no basis. Literally the warriors blitzed Fred all second half and he still found a way to be productive . Maybe the problem is Jalen isn't that good. Let's just pray he has a hot shooting game in game 7.
     
  8. peleincubus

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    lol no they did not. They pressed on him but not in the same fashion. I have to get my son to his game right now but searching for the stat to see who has been double teamed (would be even more interesting to see how many per minute played) and AI gives me this.

    In their playoff series against the Warriors, the Houston Rockets have experienced a significant amount of double-teaming, particularly on their primary ball-handler, Jalen Green. This defensive strategy has led to Green's reduced scoring output and has forced the Rockets to adjust their offensive approach.
    Here's a more detailed look:
     
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  9. RHU525

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    maybe you have a problem reading. No one said they doubled Fred more. He's been absolute trash until last two games. I said starting in the second half of game 6 they blitzed him off every pick, if you didn't see that in last nights game I dunno what you were watching... and Fred was still able to be effective.
     
  10. TheRealist137

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    Jalen is coachable and seems to have a good work ethic, he just doesn't have *it which is sort of what's necessary to become a superstar in the league. He could in theory get 1-2 all star appearances by being on a good team and being the leading scorer.
     
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    I don't care about Reed, barely post anything about him. Regarding Jalen fans, man, you really need to find a proper ophthalmologist

    Yes, Ime definitely knows bball. So, next time, when he benches Jalen, when he keeps playing FVV-Sengun centric offense, when his offense design packs the paint which makes Jalen uncomfortable, you guys better shut your mouth.
     
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    This. Green kept "panicking" and getting stuck with the ball near the half court mark. FVV kept waving off the help as he navigated through the GSW blitz near half court and the 3 point line.
     
  14. Roomba

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    I thought he contested shots well when guarding Curry, did well moving off-ball defensively and switching on off-ball screens and even guarded Jimmy Butler alright on a couple of plays, taking the bumps without fouling like he did in game 4.

    I definitely am on the more biased side but I usually don’t say stuff for no reason, and I believe even the broadcast highlighted that he was playing solid defensively (while also saying that his offense needed a ton of work)
     
  15. Hemingway

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    It is obvious that FVV handles double teams better than Jalen. One thing Jalen and FVV have had in common this year, they are both inconsistent 3 pt shooters. FVV is on a hot streak and Jalen is on a cold streak (missing wide open 3’s may give you a clue). We can’t win when both are misfiring and we can’t be beat if they are both on fire. It is that inconsistency that needs to be considered this off-season. There is a good chance that GSW really tries to take FVV away this next game and Jalen needs to respond.
     
  16. PatBev

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    Big Steve telling clutchfans to stfu lol
     
  17. daywalker02

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    FVV is old and a better af playmaker.

     
  18. RHU525

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    I've been one of Jalen's biggest detractors and even I can admit his defense is why he is in the game. He was able to cover Steph as we witched Amen over to butler which completely stopped their entire 4th quarter offense. Do you not remember his close out block on podz in the corner? As much as I hate Jalen's offense his defense has been outstanding in this series...


    Never did I think before this season that Jalen would be a better defender than Brooks. And Brooks would be a better offensive player than Jalen.. go figure.
     
  19. ApacheWarrior

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    Steven Adams post game interview.

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    Says much of what ive said about defenses blitzing a player and other things.
     
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  20. PatBev

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    Feel like Steve just called half of clutchfans dumb and had to spell it out for them
     
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