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Jalen Green will be the Rockets' Numero Uno

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kpdark, Jan 2, 2024.

  1. harold bingo

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    I don't get what you're doing. You've been here since 2008, have you really never heard sports fans say "man, we should've won that game!" You're acting like you're totally unfamiliar with this concept.
     
  2. snowconeman22

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    Lol , but there are also games we "should have lost"

    You don't get to count up the shoulda wons and not count the other side
     
  3. DaDakota

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    Sure you do, that is what being a "Fan" is all about......it isn't about being fair to everyone....fan is short for fanatic......one sided baby !

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  4. harold bingo

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    Okay fair, I agree with you. Which games do you think we should've lost? Did you get the impression that we stole any of our games? Personally I think we should be 7-3, we got stomped by San Antonio in the game we lost to them. We were lucky to even get it close in the end. But I think we should've won the Charlotte game, blowing that lead was inexcusable. I don't see any games that we should've lost though, at least not so far.
     
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  5. bustamove

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    so they deserve losing that game
     
  6. Easy

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    We played 6 games against bad/mediocre teams (Spurs x3, Hornets, Knicks, Pistons) and we are 4-2.

    We played 4 games against good teams (Grizzlies, Mavs, Warriors, Thunder) and we are 2-2. The two wins were during Jalen's superstar 5-game performance at the beginning of the season.

    We need Jalen to be at that October level to be competitive with good teams.
     
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    Jalens efficiency is at a career low, not a good thing at all. Despite that though some of his advanced numbers are at career highs(not great levels, but improvement), which lends itself to what i think most of us are seeing in that he has absolutely improved in other areas of the game. Still….gotta get that efficiency up if he’s going to be a number 1 option.

    Our actual record is 6-4.
    Our expected record based on point differential has us as a 6-4 team.
     
  8. snowconeman22

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    Probably Detroit.

    We were lucky to win that one as bad as we played .
     
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  9. apollo33

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    Maybe he just shouldn't play like a number 1 option. I've never seen him take fewer and better shots for better efficiency, the only efficient games he has is when he gets hot and takes more shots.
     
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  10. Mathloom

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    The shooting is legit, it will bounce back.

    The main concern is that no matter how much he has improved, if the paint is clogged then a huge proportion of his shots will be 3’s. All our wings will struggle to create with Sengun on the floor if Udoka doesn’t figure this out.

    All good teams will have an interior presence and wing players trying to get to the rim. This shouldn’t be an issue. We’re not trying to do anything magical here. Udoka is messing up basic coaching on offense, again. Doesn’t matter if you start even Kobe Bryant at the 2, that person is going to be less efficient than they otherwise would have been in their career because you’re turning a slasher into a catch and shoot player.

    Come on Udoka, the answer is right there.
     
  11. harold bingo

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    What's the answer? Are you saying we need to bench Sengun? I'm not following.
     
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    I'll let Mathloom answer your question.

    But I think the idea is to design an offense for Sengun that would not clog the paint. Again, it has to be some kind of motion read and react scheme. The conventional guard oriented offense won't work. Chris Webber was a below average 3pt shooter. He managed to average 23 points and 5 assists with Sacramento. That Kings offense was one of the most beautiful teamwork I've seen. But of course, it requires two things: smart players and good shooters.

    Back when the Rockets wasn't sure if Sengun would be their franchise player, some posters have pointed out that it would not be easy to build a Sengun-centric offense. And I agreed. You'd have to get players that would fit, namely again, smart players and good shooters--and I'd add smart offensive coaching. In other words, you have to commit to building around him. You can't just half-ass it, throwing mediocre IQ and shooting around him and not designing anything that maximizes him, and expect good result.

    Now since they have given him the near max extension, they should commit. It's a matter of whether Stone and Udoka have the mind to do it.
     
  13. harold bingo

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    If we’re wishing for Ime to implement a complex motion offense with Sengun as the primary playmaker…we might as well wish for world peace while we’re at it. I think those things have an equal likelihood.
     
  14. Easy

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    I like the chances of world peace better. :D

    Seriously, the fix is not that hard. Hire an offensive guru as assistant and start acquiring players that fit. Phil Jackson did it with Tex Winter. The hard part is for Udoka to swallow his pride and do just that.
     
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    No, not in favor of benching Sengun.

    I think Amen is going to emerge and then you’re going to have to decide:

    Is it better to have Sengun adapt in a system built around Amen/Green or to have Amen/Green adapt to a slow traditional half court offense?

    It’s really clear. The passing big with an imminently functional 3PT shot is a great fit for a fast paced offense. His post game is a great alternate source of offense even in the playoffs. Amen and Green are not good fits with the Sengun offense - that offense requires catch and shoot experts.
     
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  17. Joe Rocket

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    Yes they are. If you have a great coach. You can run princeton with them and infinite cuts to the basket. just because Ime doesnt know how to do it doesnt mean it cant be done. Also the Rocket shave been wanting to shoot more threes. if they cant hit open threes in this system is that Senguns fault? Maybe they dont fit Ime's system since he said he wants to take more threes.
     
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  18. harold bingo

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    You keep saying its really clear but you won't just say what you mean. Amen and Green are not good fits with Sengun. Okay, then what? How do we proceed? You said you don't mean to bench Sengun. Then do you mean trade him?
     
  19. Mathloom

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    It only takes one move to unravel it and start shifting to our inevitable identity: Brooks has to go to the bench. From that point onwards, we have enough starters on the floor who can excel in high pace and launch waves of rim attacks from the perimeter. This causes the defense to collapse more often which subsequently frees up more open 3’s, more cuts and kick outs.

    If you have a look at what the Cavs are doing, we should be copying a lot of what they’re doing to increase their asset utilization on offense. The majority of what they did was increase the pace and give more minutes to shooters around their stars.

    We’re bottom 5 pace right now despite having arguably the fastest rotation of athletes in the NBA. Trying to outshoot teams after we intentionally drafted players better at 2’s than 3’s. Time to unleash these guys. Udoka always takes half a season to figure out the offense. Hopefully not this time around.
     
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    10 Games: 39-36-86

    I'm a bit nervous about Jalen Green.

    I think I want to see someone else at PF. If you swap Tari for Bari, will there be more havoc out there, allowing JG to get some easy ones on the break? Will adding a great cutter like Tari open up wrinkles for the backside
    Sengun offense is not slow. Unless you’d call Denver or Sacramento slow. Princeton is not slow. Rick Adelman offenses were not slow.
     
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