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Jalen Green will be the Rockets' Numero Uno

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kpdark, Jan 2, 2024.

  1. Nook

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    There are always exceptions that prove the rule.

    At the end of the day - Jalen Green needs to shoot better from the perimeter. He doesn't need to be Ray Allen or Reggie Miller, but he needs to shoot 37-38% from 3 and not 32-33%. The NBA league average three point shooter is 37% - if he wants to score 25 points a game or more, and wants to be an all star and possibly a franchise player -- then he needs to be at least an average 3 point shooter. He isn't going to bring you extra value on the defensive end - so there is a lot of pressure on him to be more efficient.

    He is capable of doing it IMO - but this is his 4th year, and possibly the last year where he will be given a role where he can get the shots and opportunities to be a star - so he needs to take advantage of it and shoot better.

    You can talk about him only taking 3-4 three point shots to improve his efficiency, but that most likely will not work because he is expected to be a high level scorer. He needs to just shoot better from the perimeter, and like 80% of his problems will be solved. That can be actually shooting better or better shot selection - but either way, it is what has kept him from being a star.

    FWIW he doesn't just need to get better from 3, he also shot poorly overall from 2 as well.
     
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    Especially since he's got Cam on the roster who definitely can be a league average or better shooter, especially if he works on his shot selection.

    if Jalen can't improve his shooting, there just no reason to keep staring him.
     
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  3. Nook

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    The experiment isn't over - and it shouldn't be yet. This is likely the last year though. This is year 4 - and the Rockets will be patient with him for this season because the payoff is enormous. Jalen Green in March was one of the 3-5 best players in the world and possibly one of the 2-3 best. That was only for like 5 weeks, but it showed what he can be when he shoots better - and the upside is the difference between the Rockets being a long term 6-8 seed and a team that wins a title.

    So - the Rockets will be patient, but only to an extent.
     
  4. Nook

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    Yes - at the same time that Jalen is working on improving as a shooter, Cam will be a year older and will be shooting well and trying to develop the rest of his offensive game. There are multiple parts all going at once - there will also be Reed Sheppard trying to show people that his shooting and efficiency are not limited to being a role player.
     
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    Agreed 100%
     
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  6. Nook

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    Yeah - there are some people around the game that think Green after 3 seasons is just who he is.

    It is up to Jalen Green to prove them wrong.
     
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    I’m almost willing to wager that his clock runs out by Xmas if the start of his season mirrors his first three. This is his **** or get off the pot year.
     
  8. Nook

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    Huh? Honestly neither one has really come close to maximizing their athleticism....

    Having said that - they just use it differently. Amen is a far better defender, rebounder and shot blocker. Green is a vastly superior perimeter player and they are similar at effectiveness finishing inside, but Green is better at getting into the paint.
     
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    They tried to trade him last year at the deadline. They were not giving him away, but they were willing to include him in a deal for Bridges. I think they had grown frustrated with him and were starting to believe that he just didn't get it conceptually - then he had an absolutely dominant March. I think that likely bought him a reprieve through the trade deadline unless there is a superstar available in trade or by some miracle Amen has learnt to shoot.... not many non superstars have ever had a March like Green had.
     
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    There's one thing Amen does on offense that is seldom talked about. he uses his hang time to scan the court and make the right pass.

    Many times I see him cuts, catches the pass, elevates, sees the defense closing in, turns, and makes the pass to an open teammate. He is able to use the extra split second in the air to change from attacking to passing and remains in control. Very few people can do that. Reminds me of MJ and Clyde.
     
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    Jalen Green, Anthony Edwards, Ja Morant and Zion Williamson are all apart of the drill rap music era smh

    when the latest era of American stars retire ( David sterns guys) , American basketball on a national scene will be a joke
     
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    Definitely don't agree with this assessment. I don't think you can leave attempts out of this discussion. 38% on 7 attempts is nothing like 38% on 4 attempts.

    If Green was shooting 34% on 3-4 attempts, I would agree with every single word you've typed. The truth is for his first 3 seasons, he just shot way too much for his skill level from the 3pt line and it has made him look unfairly bad from there. His first two seasons he bares a lot of responsibility because he was allowed to take stupid shots and he took them. I don't see this average standard where 18-22 year old star SG's are making 38% of 7+ attempts. That's not a minimum expectation. That's historically elite. I bet we can count on one or two hands the number of players who have done that in NBA history.

    Starting next season I need to see him make over 36% of over 5 attempts. To me that's a fair standard and suits his game - which should always be to first and foremost use his first step, athleticism and handle to attack the rim at a very high volume. In order to do that, a little work on the mechanics but mostly work on the shot selection. Most of his improvement should come from better finishing at the rim and increasing his FTA. Udoka's responsibility is to open that paint up and not turn Jalen Green into a catch and shooter. I'm pretty sure he learned that lesson after Alpi went down.
     
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    ??? you said, "Come back when he does something when AT does something with his athleticism." That implies that you don't think he'll put much together. Ok, we will come back.
     
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    Can you all stop sharing this? It's wrong. Statsmuse just misinterprets your query and gives you number of total possessions. It's right there in the statement about Luka in big bold letters right at the top of the page.

    Compare the output with this: https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=most+possessions+2023-2024

    This has been explained as wrong before and I'm finding it hard to read good intentions into sharing this over and over again, especially since I recall some of the folks here now were engaged in that discussion back then.If you looked at and genuinely believed this, it's either an amazing demonstration of your incredible bias, or you are willingly engaging in misinformation and propaganda. If it's the latter stop complaining about not being able to have healthy conversations within the Rockets fanbase.

     
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    Amen is a much much MUCH better finisher at the rim as well.
     
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    No he absolutely isn't. This is an absurd take.


    Amen finishes mostly in transition and as a cutter.

    Those by default are easier finishes than what Green does most of the time when finishing at the rim which is drive on defenses loaded up against him in a half court set.


    Amen can be stiff around the rim and misses bunnies occasionally at the rim.

    Green has a lot more soft touch with Kyrie like flick of the wrist type lay ups.
     
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    What's funny is you literally can see both of these guys had a 70% and 71% fg% at the rim last season.


    One of those guys played the dunker spot role and the rim rolling role. That guy would be the worse finisher as he is having a similar fg% at the rim as someone doing most of his finishing beating dudes off the dribble in half court sets against loaded up defenses with a clogged paint.
     
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    "Two oldest of the young core"....

    Wait isn't Tari part of the young core?
    He's probably just referring to experience.
     
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