Ivey is a 2 way player. Point was if it's Banchero they have built around 2 guys known almost exclusively for offense and maybe they would be better off with a different combo of guys... not saying Green isn't best of all of them...
This really confuses me... Green had a rookie season that ended with achievements the NBA hasn't seen since Jordan and Iverson. Sure he started out slow, it's how you end the season that actually counts.
Less than half a season is small. Doesn't mean he won't continue, just saying it's not the same as a complete year... I used Lin as an extreme example... Post allstar break was 24 games. That's less than a third of a season. A lot of guys put together 24 games... I hope Green is more but he hasn't done it yet...
Same reason twolves might think Booker could have lead to more winning than KAT... Not a bad pick, just in context of knowing who the next building blocks are and how they fit... If you get a crack at 4 players and get the 1st and 4th best are you better off than 2nd and 3rd? Post allstar break KPJ 3.5% higher ts% and reduce his turnovers by 26%. Are we to believe that permanent? Maybe... I'm just not saying we know... I have concerns about a league worst defense possibly getting worse and not better...
And if you watched the games, you would have also known his improvements actually started long before that as well as the fact that he played better because he improved and approached defenses differently. There is a HUGE difference between a player doing great for a stretch of games and a player doing great because they are both improving their skills and changing the things they are doing. At this point, you are just grasping at straws to try and support your original terrible take. Again, I wonder if any fans on the Pistons and Cavs are silly enough to be second guessing their picks after a very successful rookie campaign? How about actually embracing our promising rookie for a change instead of wondering beyond silly what-ifs?
I explained the logic and it has nothing to do with Green's improvement. I don't know why you dwell on persuading me into something i already know... I'm concerned about 2 best players moving forward being limited on defense. Could that change through natural development? Sure, but we had opportunity to get guys who were already two way... Had we got #1 and could get chet or jabari then the defensive concern i have is mitigated... Jalen Green's offense has nothing to do with it. It's a waste of time to bring up in my opinion. I don't want to score 115 a night and give up 125...
Do you really think most front offices in the league and people who cover the league think of Jalen right now how they did about Luka and Lebron after their rookie years? I don’t think this should control at all but he was 5th in all rookie team voting well behind the top 4 in votes. Our record with him vs without him is pretty astonishing. Even if you think his rookie campaign was epic we’ve seen guys not build on that like Tyreke Evans. Even MCW made history as a rookie. I wasn’t trying to get into trashing Jalen at all because I’m very excited about his potential but if my saying it’s not implausible Ivey could be a better player even though I wouldn’t bet on it and that Mobley’s value around the league right now is much higher than the #3 pick leads to Jalen caping you guys are just hunting for grievances.
Then you should have created a thread about drafting a defensive presence over BPA this year instead of one as silly as regretting picking Green.
ROY means absolutely jack crap and are 100% narrative driven. There is a reason why the people voting are sports "journalists" instead of making much bigger bucks as FO executives making actual personnel decisions. I also think that yes, FOs look / will look at Green the same way as Doncic. Probably not LBJ though as even as a rookie, he was in a tier of his own.
Luka averaged 21/8/6 on a 33 win team that won 24 the year before. He was first team all nba the next season. I’ll probably just move on from this because I can’t take you seriously if you think post rookie season Jalen is in the same class around the league as Luka was.
