Imo green is and will be the better player in the long and short term over Ivey. I think Green is a better player than everyone in this draft and most everyone in last draft. I have him and cade about even. Imo Mobley right now is better defensively than these three bigs, but not by leaps and bounds when it comes to Jabari and Chet. And offensively I think all three already better. And I disagree with stone rushing to trade 3 for Mobley.
Did you not see Jalen at the beginning of the season? He simply was not ready and it probably would’ve destroyed his confidence if we ran the offense through him from the start. The kid was not good Post all star break performance is what the organization has planned between KPJ/Green. Their post all star numbers almost make them look like the best backcourt in the league at 21/19 years old This year was about Jalen getting his feet wet and getting KPJ up to speed at PG
Definitely benefitting from hindsight here. But even leading up to the draft I thought Suggs was overrated as a prospect. He played great in the tourney but didn't project as a great scorer or playmaker Just because he was higher in mock drafts doesn't mean TOR didn't have him as their BPA
What or who defines BPA? Minority or Majority? I seem to remember about 95% of the mocks indicating Suggs to Raptors.....partly because people didn't trust VanVleet I also said he wasn't as good as many thought. I said here he was Dennis Johnson. A good player but not, "The Guy" I said I would rather have DaVion Mitchell around #10 where he was projected. Others argued with me that the Rockets should draft him #2.....as BPA. I said then Timme helped make Suggs look better.....as he also helped Chet look better than he is, this season. But poor Timme, like Luka Garza, may be too slow for the NBA but good at the college level.
In my opinion, when I hear BPA I think it refers to the perspective of the person or persons making the pick. If the Raptors think Barnes is a better prospect than Suggs, that's drafting the BPA. If they think Suggs is the better prospect but Barnes is a better fit, that isn't drafting the BPA.
Then every pick is BPA....isn't it? Raptors Lowry gone....Van Fleet......need another PG (Suggs was rated #1 PG) Raptors.......went facilitator type PF (a-la-Draymond Green) Suggs was ranked higher on most if not all big boards at the time (pre-draft)
I was saying what I would do as Rockets GM. There’s no way to know what Stone or anyone else would do 100% but I’d be pretty shocked if Mobley’s value around the league wasn’t drastically higher than #3 in this draft, especially considering the results of the anonymous GM survey. I also think Mobley is much better defensively than both those guys right now. You’d need to combine Jabari’s switch ability with Chet’s rim protection to get Mobley. Offensively, Mobley also has more ball skills than Jabari and can finish lobs better than Jabari and Paulo.
@Zen Tabak Here is a list of mock draft picks from multiple sites 2021 https://walterfootball.com/nbadraftdata2021.php Here is 2022 https://walterfootball.com/nbadraftdata.php
No, every pick is not BPA. Like I said teams can either draft the BPA or draft to fill a particular need, passing up a better prospect. A classic example is Portland drafting Sam Bowie because they needed a big and already had Clyde Drexler. The big boards of various media personalities don't determine who the best player available is. They are for the benefit of folks following along at home. Teams have their own internal draft board based on interviews, workouts, etc. If you're saying the Raptors took Barnes over Suggs, thinking Suggs was the best player available, then you're suggesting the Raptors drafted for fit. I'm saying no, not necessarily. Based on the kinds of players Toronto has drafted in recent history (Siakam, Anunoby) and traded for (Ochiuwa) I think it is likely that the Raptors front office has Barnes higher on their draft board. It doesn't matter at all how Chad Ford ranked these prospects, for example.
LOL no I've been saying only one simple thing this whole time and it apparently keeps going right over your head. No point in engaging with you further on this or any other issue.
No you're right, consensus means nothing when most if not all mocks/scouts had Suggs ranked fourth Free for all with no consensus is always BPA? Or something of that nature. How can you go wrong, with that thinking?
This is a very weird phrasing. Ivey hasn't played a single game yet. Green, despite his early season struggles, accomplished feats as a rookie matched only by other HOFs' rookie seasons. Until Ivey plays in the NBA (in fact, until any of the 2022 prospects plays in the NBA), there is no debate that Green is the better player.
I don't understand your thought process here. Unless you see Ivey as a much better player than Green, why not just draft a 2-way player in a few weeks? You'd still have a young offensive star and a 2-way player.
Okay? I was talking about who will have a better career. Yeah I’d bet on Green over Ivey because he showed more as a rookie than a median top 5 pick but it’s pretty silly to be confident Green will be better since we haven’t seen Ivey who is a highly regarded prospect in the NBA yet, especially since even though Green had a very promising rookie campaign it wasn’t like Luka or Lebron where it’s obvious there’s little chance he won’t be top 5 player in the league soon.
