Jalen Green has played 20 games so far, here is a look at his first 10 games vs. his last 10 games

Does this even check out historically in a statistical manner or is this just one of those platitudes that boomers say?

 

Love the slight comment to ignore the wisdom of people more experienced and knowledgeable than you.

DD

 

What does age have to do with recognizing statistical trends?

It just seems like a generic platitude people use because it exemplifies the hard working blue collar labor type aspect which older generations have a magical fixation with.

 

Dude, last time I checked Generation X and Y are not boomers.

You don't need statistics, just watch the NBA finals, and you see more stops than shots falling in the last minutes.

I find these Pseudo Moreyisms very amusing.

Have a happy new year, you old stats nerd.

 

The one thing about Defense is.

Chuck Hayes, an undersized player with no exceptional offensive talents, can play it.

You do not need extraordinary talent, just being smart works and having a relatively healthy body, and committing yourself to it.

 

You’re all over the place here with shifting goalposts and bringing up random irrelevant situations that aren’t comparable. I never said salary determines minutes. You have a reading comprehension problem. And you still haven’t answered my question. If you don’t think Stone deserves ANY blame for constructing a team with 3 centers that all demand playing time, and are all bad at the 4, then I don’t think we’re going to get anywhere and we should just end this discussion.

 

Let me make my position clear. I don't think defense is not important. I just believe there really isn't a statistically significant trend between which side of the game nets you a better chance at a ring. We've seen offensive juggernauts win rings and defensive juggernauts. In most cases it seems like you have to be be at the very least above average on one side and elite on the other side. The Warriors dynasty, the Lakers dynasty, Rockets dynasty, Bulls dynasty are all like that.

 

Balance wins championships.

DD

 

The answer is offense. The reason “defense wins championship” exists is because it’s already assumed you have a good offense. Teams with great offense and bad defense get exposed in the playoffs, but teams with great defense and bad offense don’t even make the playoffs. And that first group always ends up getting exposed by teams who have both great offense AND great defense.

 

I believe the stats bear out your need a top 10 offense and defense plus at least 1 of the top 5 or so players during that year to win a chip.

As we’ve seen in the last decade if you don’t have LeBron, Kawhi, Curry or Giannis you’re not winning a ring. That trend goes back 75 years. Individual players matter more than anything else. But they do need help to have that top offense and defense.

In this whole debate I think Green has a much higher ceiling than Mobley. Mobley might become Bosh, KG or AD but those guys were first round exits or lottery teams until they added LeBron or Pierce/Allen.

Green has a better chance of becoming a top 5 lead your team to a ring with help than Mobley does. Mobley at his absolute ceiling would be the help guy ala Bosh, AD, KG.

The top 5 guy is much harder to find. You don’t go anywhere without him. Thus Stone made the right choice.

 

Also if you look at it from a GM's perspective, who are they going to sign a larger contract for? A a mere average to above available offensive player and a elite defensive player or a mere average to above average defender and a elite offensive player?

The elite offensive talent is more valuable in the GM's perspective probably due to a couple of factors. Probably due to them drawing larger media attention and crowds and also being more rare in talent so scarcity.

 

The dynasties always won with elite Defense and Top 10 Offense.

I didn't say a Top Offense and only a Top 12 Defense can't win it but it is tougher for sure.

And to your remark, lmao, yes, we have tons of stats at our disposal, StatsMuse on Twitter for example, every day.

We live in a world of social media and everyone can use stats, even boomers and old timers.

Try use stats for the most important events and not for trivialities.

And of course if that offensive team has the better players (More MVPs) it is not about Offense vs Defense any longer but talent.

 

My other argument is in the era of heliocentric offensive systems, big men have a harder time of creating their own opportunities and have a greater chance of being shut out by the primary ball handlers which are usually wings and guards. Though you are seeing a slight resurgence with elite offensive bigs such as Jokic and Embid.

Green has a higher chance of just having the ball in his hands more than someone like Mobley hence him being elite is going to impact the team more than Mobley being elite. If Mobley had that Jokic passing game I would say otherwise.

 

"I don't think a whole lot of GMs would be happy if they acquired a player and paid him 9mil a year only to have his subordinate give that player DNP-CD's every night." - harold bingo

You're acting like a child just admit when youre wrong man otherwise it just ends up being us yelling at each other and calling each other names and im tired of doing that on here with you people.

 

I do not think it is more 'real' valuable.

But yes, Offense is commercialized value now.

Do you buy a tank/monster truck or a lambo/sports car.

Normal GMs fall for the sexy model with no brains, cannot even fault them.

 

As good as Mobley has played, he will never win a championship as the best player on your team, through no fault of his own, it’s just the nature of his position, you just can’t win with bigs anymore.

 

Tracy McGrady showed that an early defensive player could be elite at Offense if he wants it bad enough and got enough talent.

 

The newer GSW had Steph and Durant playing both Alphas.

Durant to close out the game more often and Steph to blow the game open with shooting.

If Mobley can adapt the guard's game, he has got a chance.

 

The position is also very clear that with stops you are in better position to attack the opponent.

Bzdelik's system predicated on it.

 

The best offensive players usually have more brains than the best defensive players.