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Jalen Green “not going to play anytime soon”

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ashleyem, Dec 3, 2021.

  1. apollo33

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    shieet maybe he should just wait for the defender to come up to him
     
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  2. BonziWellsGOAT

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    Apparently it's 18 games or bust.
     
  3. PatBev

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    Did this kid die or something lol Jesus let’s go. He’s 19, that hammy should be healed up real quick
     
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  4. TRIQSTER

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    There shouldn't any over analysis of small sample size from beginning of season ....only 18 games not even in mid season form yet ...those numbers will change as more games go on ...people gonna start putting some respek to his name
     
  5. TheRealist137

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    You've done everything EXCEPT declare him a bust at this point. No amount of hedging that you try to do now will prevent you from looking like an absolute moron if Green becomes a great player.
     
  6. Bobbythegreat

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    I expect there to be plenty of stupid people who take me pointing out how terrible Jalen Green is right now to mean that he'll definitely always be this terrible.

    It's okay, I don't expect more from people than they are capable of.
     
  7. jogo

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    Thanks for posting these, harold.

    Maybe this is a sample size issue.

    Tight (2-4 feet) 1.1 attempts 36.8%
    Open (4-6 feet) 3.0 attempts 22.2%
    Wide Open (6+ feet) 2.3 attempts 31%

    Perhaps as the number of attempts increases the shooting percentage decreases. Thus, if he had shot 3 attempts form 2-4 feet his % would be below 30%. Or if he shot only 1.1 attempts from open or wide open then his % would be closer to 36.8% (or higher because they're open).
     
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    Boomer talk:
    Do y'all find it strange that Jalen tweeted during halftime? Do you think its only cause hes injured? Are active players checking twitter during halftime
     
  9. harold bingo

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    Just listened to Steve Kerr talking about this. He answers your question, for those who don't want to listen the answer is yes, every single player in the NBA is looking at their phone at halftime.

     
  10. BallSoHarden

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    I'm no boomer, but his IG live and the way he speaks doesn't make me confident in him. He mostly just mumbles the same few words and repeats them, looks at himself in IG live just playing with his hair, says hehehe its littt, uhhh its littt. Pretty much all hes done on live the handful of times i've seen him. Doubt any of that means anything about what he can do on the court, but he comes across as very dumb. He definitely seems to be lacking in personality, you see guys like Luka, Lamelo, and Ant that are young and some of the funniest guys who are quick to respond and have something funny or sarcastic to say, which makes them come across as intelligent. JG seems like hes the guy that is trying very hard to seem cool, because the more he speaks the more people will realize he's a moron. He tends to talk very slow, almost like you would if you've been drinking and are hungover. I chose JG over Mobley, who knows what will come of it, but so far he just seems lacking the personality of a guy who will be a leader.
     
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    I don't think he comes across as dumb, I remember seeing this pre-draft interview and thinking that he was pretty self-aware of his game and pretty quick to critique himself, which is good.

    He just seems like someone who is sort of quiet, but also does like the spotlight even though he's not really a natural in front of it.

    I totally see your point about the natural leader thing, though. He doesn't really have that galvanizing sort of personality, and sort of reminds me of Harden in that regard. NOT THAT I'M COMPARING THEIR GAMES IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER! But yeah I think he'll be a great player, but the best player on a championship team? I dunno, I didn't really see anybody in this draft as that but I've been wrong so many times before
     
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  12. daywalker02

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    Nobody would be complaining if he was just a 14th or 18th pick.

    I think GMs should definitely stop looking for just athleticism and scoring. This has been outdated thinking.

    Those are important but there are more important aspects, like exceptional BBall IQ, exceptional ballhandling, exceptional rebounding, exceptional teamplay......
     
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  13. Roomba

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    I firmly believe that athleticism can elevate a good player into a great one, but there are no guarantees that an awesome athlete will ever become anything more than that. I think Green has shown more than just being an unskilled athlete (he has good instincts on cuts, can create space for himself and has a pretty good feel for the game) but I don't blame anyone for not liking the pick because he's yet to show us what we expected him to.

    That said I think he'll get there sooner rather than later and I'm rooting for his success. I have a feeling he'll look much better when he comes back from his injury.
     
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    From a structural standpoint it is an error. We can slice and dice it all we want.

    Try to imagine if Sengün did not come over and held out like Llull, Stone would look like a fool now with 4 picks.

    The team needed a clear cut floor general that can set up an Offense.

    A SF or PF that can rebound and get in transition, shoot the ball, defend. (An upgrade over Tate)

    A replacement for Wood eventually.

    A shooting guard was the last position to fill IMO.

    And this has nothing to do if he is Kobe or Bradley Beal or Jordan Clarkson.
     
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    Yeah ppl just watch his ig lives but most of his interviews about actually basketball stuff and especially this one he is very self aware and introspective about his game. Yeah he's not boisterous and mumbles a bit but I mean this kid has been nitpicked to death. People really need to give it a rest
     
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    The team envisioned Scoot as that floor general and were already invested - is hindsight telling you they should have taken Giddey, Barnes or Davion MItchell to be this "floor general" ?? Giving up on Tate already too? Wood is the only player that legitimizes the offense prior to Sengun showing he can be a similar player.

    So you were ready to go into the season with Eric Gordon and Armoni Brooks as your SGs?? With Wood and Theis already set on the lineup Houston should have gone Mobley even when it was reported he wanted nothing to do with Houston?

    Team went BPA and were able to fill a position of need. Same reason they took Christopher later - they needed perimeter players with years of team control.

    IF Green would have been able to play in the free flow offense we see now and was leading all rookies in scoring and his shooting splits didnt offend you - would you still be upset?
     
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  17. daywalker02

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    From a team and value standpoint, this team never had to worry about not getting the SG via trade ........Eric Gordon, Kevin Martin, (Harden, Tracy McGrady).

    It is a position that is still not that hard to find talent at, either later in the draft or elsewhere.

    Never mind what the situation was with Brooks and Co.

    Of course I would be less upset, but I would still feel strongly about it this way, he does not bring anything real to the table other than scoring! With the new rules it is not going to be easy either.

    We knew what fool's gold was with Kevin Martin, we have been through that. And Martin was way better 3 point shooter. Surprisingly better than Eric Gordon (career 38.4%)


    Sarcastically, he shot better everywhere else than with Houston.
     
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    The mechanics of his shot are off .... watch him catch and shoot , his shot starts at waist high.

    Then at the top of the shot , he's "pushing" with both hands rather using the main hand to create the arc (flick of the wrist).

    Good thing here is that both of these things are fixable and stem from the same issue (strength).


    Anyone who started playing really young has shot like that .... imagine watching a bunch of "normal" 10 year olds shooting at a regulation goal , most of them are going to struggle to get the height on their shot & will compensate by heaving the ball with both hands rather than proper shooting form. Green's shot is stuck somewhere between the that heave and proper form.
    What's bothersome to me is that this issue wasn't fixed in high school ..... cause he's had the physical strength to solve the mechanical problem for a while now. This says something about either Green or those influencing / teaching him.


    Another issue is shot selection. Can't count the times I've watched Green handle the ball top of the key , use a pick to get separation from the initial defender then stop at the FT line , back up and then shoot that step back 3. That shot is not a high percentage shot even when taken wide open. He'd he better off taking the jumper from the FT line , he's open and that's an easy shot.
     
  19. Corrosion

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    You can run this 4 times - once for each defender distance to show the total.

    Players Shooting Dashboard Closest Defender +10 | Stats | NBA.com

    Open & Wide Open make up 41% of his shots.
    See the link above in this post.
     
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  20. daywalker02

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    It is safe to say Sengün was our biggest therapist.
     

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