Jack Ramsay ranks Steve/Cat only behind Bryant/Payton and Nash/Finley

Yes, Antoine freakin Walker. Have you watched him this year?

Jason Terry's per game numbers so far this year:
18.7 pts, 5 boards, 5 assists, 1.2 steals, .3 blocks

Yao:
17 pts, 9.7 boards, 1.9 assists, .4 steals, 2.2 blocks

There's more to the NBA than just the Rockets.

And I STILL don't believe Shawn Marion isn't on that top 20 list. Come on, people!

 

I really dont think he meant that in any particular order........I mean, seriously....if you consider pts wise, then we are pretty good, but if you look at all-around stats, leadership, work ethic etc, our backcourt doesnt even come close...

Juugo wutever, get off the crack bro. It's expensive, and unhealthy.

 

Webber - when healthy is top 15
Lebron - You couldn't get him for Steve and Yao
Gasol - I could see that
Amare - Maybe
Randolph - 20/10 playing with Rashhed is better than 18/9 playing with Mo T.
Brand - Maybe
Peja - 23 points 6 rebounds 2 assists per game. 4th leading scorer in the NBA. Get real.

 

Yeah I can see a Trend,

Shaq
Nowitzki
Duncan
Eastern Conference
Eastern Conference
Eastern Conference
Webber and just the rest of the Kings in General
and Seatle didn't make the playoffs,

 

I don't have to watch Walker to know that his presence on the floor is no where near that of Yao's. Walker has barely drawn a double team in his lifetime. A portly PF who likes to dribble the ball versus a center who protects the basket, draws incredible defensive attention, and shoots way better than 42% from the field.

Also, if you really think Jason Terry, with his 18 points per game, is a better player than Yao, then i am wasting my time trying to reason with you. Did anyone even try to sign Terry in the offseason? maybe the jazz? i cant remember. Terry has led his team to the bottom of the eastern standings for his whole career. He's a good player, but Yao is 5 times more valuble.

 

Lakers: Payton/Bryant winning record + playoffs
Agreed

Dallas: Nash/Finley winning record + playoffs
Remember Dallas' record without Nash? That argument just doesn't fly

Detroit: Billups/Hamilton winning record + playoffs
I love how Rockets fans throw that EC crap around. Really I do. OK so the EC is easier fine, but both Detroit and New Orleans have less talents than the Rockets as well. I guess people also forgot that every time we play Detroit we got smoked.

NO: Davis/Wesley winning record + playoffs
See above

Kidd and anyone (kittles) winning record last year + finals
I hardly think I need to argue that Jason Kidd is the better player

Parker and Manu winning record + champs
And the Spurs were how many games above 500 w/o Parker? Not saying they might necessarily be a top guard combo in this league, just that they are important.

Bibby and Christie winning record + playoffs
Queens on pace to make the playoffs, w or w/o Webber. Sorry, try again.

Barry and Murray (or Allen) winning record + playoffs this year
RM is in his 2nd year, Allen wasn't on the team last year. We beat them by a record of a whooping 3 games despite having Yao. Good point there.

 

no medication today right JV???

 

The weird thing is, I'm not really a Carter fan...when they had T_Mac and Carter, ask any of my friends, I was the guy always going on that McGrady would be the better player, to many a rolled eyeball. Carter is seriosuly exciting,but the guys I usually am a fan of are guys like Alvin Williams, who show up, work their ass off, make all the right moves, hit the clutch shots, defend like hell, and then go home quietly.

But what has happened in the past few years with Vince has been really unfair to him. He was a God in the media, they all predicted him leaving Toronto, he didn't, and since then they have been routinely bashing him, and Jordan, forever covetous of his prestige, added to it. Then he was hurt, tried to play through it, struggled, came back, tried to adapt his game to not having a solid knee ( hence not being able to push off/get to the hoop), went too far with that aspect I'll agree, and since then people have been talking like was never as good as advertised, which, when you look at his pre-injury numbers, or how quickly he turned around a dismal franchise, is untrue. Now it's routine for people to look at his injured play as the standard, and love to bash him for things which are mostly beyond his control. So now I often find myself defending him, even though I criticize him for some things myself , or did, very often.

And you get completely irrational comments like he's a ball hog, which couldn't be further from the truth. Each and every coach he's had has complained that he doesn't shoot enough, excpet in crch time...that if he took over more often sooner rather than in the late 4th, they wouldn't need late game heroics...O'Neal, as is farmiliar to Toronto fans, recently said again that Carter is " the most unselfish superstar in the game, maybe ever. At times too unselfish." Take ;ast night...Marshall and Rose both commented that usually when you arrive on a new team the other players expect you to fit in, can be jelpus, yet Carter, one of the league's legit scoring stars, was defering to them and as Marshall said, was the one telling him to keep shooting. Everyone who watches him at all knows this, yet he is routinely called selfish, score only, ball hog by fans of other teams who build up this mythical reputation based on nothing.

Legit criticisms: Too unselfish. Was way too perim oriented last 2 years, although knee was main cause. Until this year, and at times last year, his effort on D has been extremely erratic for an athlete of his capabilities since his rookie campaign, when it was pretty consistent. At times seemed more concerned with being 'nice', to teammates and opponents, than with winning, although in his defense he's just not a Michale Jordan, I need to win at everything or I'll die kind of guy, although he now has a chip on his shoulder for the 1st time.

But the other stuff is all crap...early on it was " Yeah, he can dunk, but he can't shoot from the outside." So he goes and and becomes a 40 pct. 3pt shooter, something none of the other Next Jordan's, including the original were ever able to do...and what's the talk? What an amazing inside/out combo? Yes...from other players and coaches ( Garnett called him the single least guardable player in the league 1 on 1, for example)..but from the media and fans, it became " He just shoots 3s." There was some truth to that leter, but there was a reason. The ball hog stuff has always been weird. The " he can't win like MJ" stuff was weirder considering A_ He went to a wrose team than MJ did, B) Turned them around quicker and more than MJ did, and C) won more playoff games/rounds in the same amount of time as MJ did until he got his Pippen, which Carter never got ( maybe now with Bosh, and a bit of Rose). Other stuff...I'm done for now, tired of talking about this stuff...just the unfair stuff which is so in fashion about Carter recently drives me as batty as the ignoring his weaknesses in Toronto did years ago...

 

Right on. Love to have him on the team.