Either Fred or Jalen are usually the guards at the top of the 3 pt line who are safety blankets if whoever has the ball can't get a good look and needs to offload the ball to reset the action. Jalen just isn't in position to be a cutter like Amen or Jabari as much.
I don't give a damn if he's in his 3rd season. He never worked his way up to being handed the role. He started out being put on the Primadonna pedestal. I'm talking about taking us to the next level, and not signing him to a big contract if he's still shooting like he did this year next season. Make him earn it, or show him the door and spend that money on someone better.
Most people do - and if you just ignore the people who either identify with Jalen in some way like fashion, Tik tok, or heritage etc, the bbs is much more readable and every thread is not about Jalen. DD
Sounds like you’re mad at the organization for mishandling his development and treating him like a primadonna. That’s not Jalen’s fault and his agent is probably as angry about it as you are. I agree we did almost the opposite of everything right with Jalen’s first two years.
I'm just curious.... Who should have started over Green in his first two seasons? Nix? Josh Christopher? Every top 3ish lottery picks on a bad team that is still tanking will have high usage. It has nothing with being a "primadonna". You don't even attempt to acknowledge what I'm trying to say. When did I say we should do a max extension? When did I say he doesn't have to improve? He gets a max if he deserves it by the end of his 4th season. It's that simple. But you make claims that are just removed from reality. This is the cognitive dissonance you are coping with. On one hand you believe a "SHOOTING guard" as you keep reminding us ad nauseum having below average scoring efficiency and below average 3 pt efficiency is the culprit for this team's below average offense for the entire season. But then you have to acknowledge that this apparently shitty shooting guard with the second highest usage on the roster has the third highest positive impact on the team offense and the two above are FVV and Landale, someone with mostly just one month sample size of rotational minutes during the team's best month. So in reality Green has the second best impact on offense on the team behind FVV. How do you square that? By gaslighting? Avoiding the dissonance by not addressing it?
You’re kidding me. Every single post you make - and you make 20 per day - is some variant of “Jalen isn’t good enough.” Even when you are ostensibly posting about something else, it is always in comparison - directly or “subtly” - about Jalen, whether it is about Cam being more fearless, Reed being a better shooter, Jabari improving, etc. It is exhausting and it clutters the BBS with the exact same opinion expressed over and over in every thread, multiple times per page. Back on point - Jabari is never going to be a franchise player, but he is making steady improvement and will grow into the type of player every championship team will be dying to get in 5 years. His ability to contribute off ball offensively and versatility defensively is very valuable, even if he is never elite at either. I’m happy he is on the team for now, but I worry he’s a cap casualty at some point.
Nah, You just need to read more of them.....I will sign you up for the newsletter. Jabari is fine he is 20 years old, and he improved a ton this season he has been our best high draft pick in years. DD
Amen Thompson doesn't have any jumpshot making capability, he also needs to tighten his handle and improve as a passer. I believe playing the role of a point forward will suit him, but he has a long way to go. I don't think he can ever become a superstar.
I think there are three guys you could form a reasonable argument for having the highest ceiling with Green, Sengun and Amen. I can see your perspective as I think Amen has the most stand out physical traits with his combo of length and agility even combined with some sneaky strength out of the core 6. An argument can be made that Amen literally has the highest defensive ceiling at the wing/guard position in the entire league due to these traits. Then you combine that with his quick processing speed and awareness on the court on both ends and you just have a guy who can impact winning in so many different ways at high levels even if he doesn't develop a shot or a "deep bag". Amen is someone who I see has a legitimate chance of winning a DPOY award in his career. But for me Sengun and Jalen specifically stand out because both are head and shoulders above the rest of the core in self creation where you can see an entire offensive system built around those two. Both are by far the most creative with the ball in their hands out of the core and that in itself for me makes those two have the highest ceiling in terms of building an offense around. But all three have a case for highest ceiling on the team.
Bari will be gone when his contract is up. Dude is immature, not loyal, save his age. It's his is persona. Save this post!
We’ll see. It’s conjecture on both our parts. If he fixes his jumper, he is definitely in the conversation as a superstar.
Need Bari to take another big leap in year 3. I’m very confident he will do that. Continue to improve defensively, get stronger, and get that long range to 38% on high volume.
The superstar term is thrown around here like honey buns and Trill burgers by Harden. He is looking very good but that does not mean anything yet.
I would love it if any of our players break out - but so far to me the only one that has a chance is Cam. DD
Like I said, if he doesn't improve I'd rather sign a better SG for a long term deal for our future, if we want to be more competitive. It sounds like you agree with me there. His impact is on a team without any top stars, and on a team that is in the bottom tier in EFG%, TS%, and 3 PT%. I want a star. Maybe he can get there, but he needs a big step. I'm just looking at PIE on our team and the league, and he's no standout. Then, for someone taking the most shots, I'd prefer someone with a higher TS% and EFG%. I'm not saying any of our bench players, or even in a draft will be better, but I'm also not ruling them out, and would like to see them get more of Jalen's minutes next year. I'm just not all that hopeful he is going to step it up a level or two, but maybe he will. If not, then I hope we can sign that someone next year. In the NBA, PIE stands for Player Impact Estimate, a statistical metric that measures a player's overall contribution to a game. The PIE formula compiles everything a single player does in a game -- points scored, rebounds, blocks, missed free throws etc. -- and weighs that number against the same stats generated by everyone in that same game. Here's our guys, followed by the top in the league. The PIE, EFG%, and TS% are all listed, but they are in order top to bottom by PIE. Some players make a huge impact compared to Jalen in the league. I don't see him as even a huge standout on our team. Also, thinking about how he takes the most shots, that's why I would prefer more of those passed around to more effective shooters, and why I want more of those options coming in from the bench. It's another plus for me wanting a guy like Sheppard contributing and getting experience. https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612745/players-advanced?SeasonType=Regular Season&dir=D&sort=PIE
Pie is just another box score stat with arbitrary weights. It doesn't measure an impact a player has on a team like on/off impact on offense. It's as useless as PER. You have vigorously with incessant drive and ad nauseum spamming of the basic rhetoric of "A SHOOTING guard should be a good shooter" and spamming the claim that Jalen Green being a bad shooter at the shooting guard position is the primary culprit of why this team has a below average offense. When I said that the way you cope with the cognitive dissonance that you believe he is the primary culprit for the team's bad offense yet still having one of the best positive impacts on team offense I said you would try to avoid the dissonance by not addressing it and tap dancing around it. So I guess I'm right? Now you e gone to PIE? Lol... So I'll ask again, why is our "SHOOTING guard" as you like to point out ad nauseum with below average shooting numbers and high usage have some of the best positive impact on the team's offensive efficiency? Do you think this dissonance here means you should reevaluate how you analyze ball players? Jalen Green should improve his efficiency. He would be a disappointment if the rest of his career he's hovering around 55% ts. But that isn't what you claim. At least that isn't your ONLY claim. You claim he's the primary culprit for why this team's offense is bad.
