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Jabari? Green? Alpi? Amen? Cam?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by hlmbasketball, Oct 13, 2023.

  1. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

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    Cameron is a leaner and faster Lerbon, Zion in transition. There you have it.

    Combo of strength and speed rarely seen. And he has potential to shoot that rock.

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  2. fchowd0311

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    Jabari Smith has hit one game winner in his career in a NBA game.


    That falls well within the outlier level of sample size. I'm not saying Jabari isn't even capable. He's tall and has a fluid jump shot.

    But the reality is we have data of actual clutch time volume and efficiency on "contested shots"



    Jabari is not on this list. This is a simple way to check your personal biases and to see if your perceived eye test matches reality. It doesn't.
     
  3. Bobbythegreat

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    At this point, I don't think any of those guys have reached that status. Smith has looked pretty good thus far, so I could see himself reaching that status at some point.

    I know Sengun fans think their guy is the next coming of Jokic....but I still have some doubts as to if he'll be able to overcome his physical shorcomings and be a long term starter.

    Amen is fully unproven, so there's not much to be said right now.

    Green is a guy who is good in transition and against defenses that are not set but as of now that's the extent of his game, I'm not sure he's a long term starter either.

    I guess then I'd say that as of right now, Smith is the closest the team has to that kind of guy.
     
  4. fchowd0311

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    That combo you refer to is in Ant. Cam is a tier below guys like Jalen, Ja and Ant in lateral agility and acceleration.
     
  5. maypk

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    These threads never fail to amuse me. Jalen went from untouchable to piece of garbage and Jabari went from piece of garbage to untouchable after a couple of PS games lol.
     
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  6. daywalker02

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    Has nothing to do with Ant, Ant is one, Cameron is already heavier than Ant is.+

    Cam should not even go against guards, he is going against slower forwards.

    It is just Whitmore cannot find minutes yet.
     
  7. j@amc

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    Jabari probably has the right combination to become a scorer that can get to his shot when the D is set.

    Green is becoming a guy that can create buckets for himself as well.

    Sengun can do that against a lot of guys not named Wemby. He will need the coaches to get some screens and movement to be able to create space and shots. The turn around jump hook is not possible.
     
  8. apollo33

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    Jalen was only untouchable for 2 years as a prospect. He needs to actually show some serious production this year on the court to justify his eventually extension.

    People are overreacting for Jabari, but his combination of size, shooting and defense makes his floor naturally higher than Green's. Even if he fails to improve, he's would still be a very desirable role player that can essentially fit any team.
     
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  9. hlmbasketball

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    The eye test proves it! Remember, this is only his first yr.





     
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  10. fchowd0311

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    The eye test shows that Green in many right games in the 4th takes the most difficult shots and gets them in at a high efficiency during that time designated as "clutch time".


    Again he has one NBA game winner. I can show you just nuzzer beaters from Green and they would be more impressive anyways because he's doing advanced dribble moves in those buzzer beaters and creating separation for a shot.
     
  11. fchowd0311

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    If he fails to improve he's a 6'11" dude who's a net negative on both offensive and defense who has a 51% ts on mostly assisted looks.

    There is absolutely nothing to suggest Jabari has a higher floor.
     
  12. fchowd0311

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    Green is becoming? Jabari is?

    Are we being gaslight?

    Jalen rookie year: 17 ppg on 55% ts 50% of his fgs made self created

    Jabari Smith: 13 ppg 51% ts and 23% of his fgs made self created.

    And Green is sophomore year: 22 ppg 54% ts 60% rate of fgs made being self created


    Where do people get their ideas of these players from? Wtf?

    Jalen Green has been a significantly more efficient player while taking significantly more difficult shots.

    And Jalen will never be a player who has the same amount of assists as turnovers because his ball skills are too good for that to happen. Jabari is that type of player who will have seasons where he has the same amount of assists as turnovers.

    Dude had a significantly easier role than Green and still couldn't match Green's efficiency.
     
  13. coachbadlee

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    I don't remember anyone reaching piece of garbage status.
     
  14. fchowd0311

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    Comparing Jabari's ability to self create to Green as being better is saying Green is garbage.

    Because Jabari's self creation so far in NBA games has been garbage.
     
  15. daywalker02

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    That is a saying, silly.......of course everyone improves by more than 1%.

    I do not understand why you have to defend him every post, even I do not defend Sengün every time, I am not cut out for that ish.

    The truth will be out there one or the other way........does Jalen have a secks video on you?
     
  16. fchowd0311

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    Lol I seriously doubt Jabari is going to stay at 51% ts for his career. Of course he'll get better. I'm responding to a comment of someone saying if Jabari didn't improve at all
     
  17. daywalker02

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    Again he would learn to be role player if let's say he had a bad injury which I do not wish upon anyone.

    And he is coming back a lesser self of his......and re-learn most of the schemes.

    Even then he would improve.
     
  18. Easy

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    This kind of thread is the perfect battleground for CF's Only-Fans infighting. :D
     
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    Perfect observation....I am Only 3 Player Fan, thus cast the net even wider. More returns.
     
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    No doubt, its also the perfect dart throwing canvas for certain marvel mavericks who completely despise the only fanatic club for those like Smith/Sengun/JG4

    Punic Wars:Rockets Edition
     
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