the frustration is that for years people (me, included) argued that Carr couldn't be successful because he didn't have the right weapons around him. one of those guys, we argued, was gaffney. that whole argument seems to be falling apart, brick by brick.
Maybe it is, but I don't see Gaffney as a prime example of this considering he hasn't done anything until very recently and also on a very good team. Maybe if Gaffney had done this consistently all season or even for a couple of games on a team like the Raiders, but he hasn't. By the way, what other offensive players have left the Texans and gone on to stellar careers somewhere else? Corey Bradford sure did tear it up for the Lions this season, huh? James Allen, wasn't he a pro-bowler somewhere last season? I guess Billy Miller did score a TD the other day, but he was actually somewhat of a bright spot for us. My whole point was we're beating a dead horse arguing about Carr. The vast vast majority of Texans fans feel the same way about him. Ya'll decided sooner than others. Good for ya'll.
Yes, that is exactly what I said. The Texans have never had an offensive line. Carr has been bad, but to not take that into consideration would be dumb. I don't care who the quarterback is, if you don't have an adequate line you will never win. The line is as important as any other player on the field, the left tackle is probably as critical as the quarterback.
Kinda hard since I didn't make one. FACT-nearly everyone feels the same about Carr at this point. FACT-Gaffney has done nothing since the Texans before these games. He couldn't even make a team with such an outstanding WR corp as the Philadelphia Eagles. FACT-there was pretty much no one bemoaning the loss of Gaffney when he was let go by the Texans. Where was my error again?
Are we still talking about Jabar Gaffney? The guy played bad while he was here (do you disagree with that?), then couldn't make the team in Philly, now has had 2 good games and somehow this is David Carr's fault? Let's use the (sudden) Jabar Gaffney fan's logic for a minute: Charlie Casserly picked Jabar in the 2nd round. Now that Jabar has had 2 good games, I guess Casserly was right to pick him in the 2nd round. Let's bring Charlie Casserly back. Maybe getting rid of him was a mistake. While we're at it, let's bring back every offensive player Casserly ever drafted/signed. They didn't really suck, it was just because of David Carr. They were all diamonds in the rough, but David Carr RUINED their careers. The anti-Carr base has PLENTY of ammo to back up their argument. Frankly I agree with a lot more of it than yall might think. But using THIS as an argument is just silly.
you asked me if it was mcnabb's fault that he sucked in philly as if I was blaming carr for him sucking.
the OL has been bad. but it wasn't the reason Carr sucked this year. sorry. it just wasn't. we saw play after play where he had time and still made the same stupid mistakes. we saw the Oakland game...we saw the NE game where he threw 4 INT's, 3 of which were on plays where he wasn't hurried. we watched him throw into quadruple coverage against the Titans. we watch him stare down one receiver the entire play. sorry..but those aren't about the OL. i've heard every excuse in the book for david carr. i'm tired of every single one of them. mostly because they drastically overestimate just how bad the surrounding components have been. the receivers aren't good enough. there's no running game. he doesn't have enough time. he hasn't had good coaching. and on and on and on. and only recently has the organization every communicated anything like, "we're expecting more out of this guy than what we've seen." seriously, 5 years into it and Rick Smith's comments the other day were the first I had heard anyone in this organization make indicating that what david has given hasn't been enough. this is why the guy is booed so vehemently...it's partially why he's met with so much anger from houston fans, who aren't exactly known for their anger passion.....because the excuses are maddening. i'm willing to acknowledge he's been shell-shocked. but the product on the field right now wearing #8 has as much to do with the guy behind the jersey as it does the players around him. and the truth is....i won't be the least bit surprised if they trot his ass out there as the starter next year. will you??? this discussion isn't over until he's somewhere else.
i'm not suggesting it's carr's fault. what i'm suggesting is that the excuses for Carr about not having components around him who could get the job done are falling apart.
Please name me one former Texans' offensive player that has consistently played much better after leaving the Texans than he did when he was in Houston.
i don't know of any. though gaffney's two games in a very short window of opportunity look better than any he had here. who else is there?? bradford was older when we got him, if i remember right. there is a pretty small sample size. we're still talking about a franchise that is only 5 years old. ex players don't comprise the crux of the argument, to be sure.
Thanks. Still didn't answer my question. If you say: Then why in the world would you respond to my first post when that was my entire point? And I'm the crazy one?
Of course you're not. You're merely "suggesting that the excuses for Carr about not having components around him who could get the job done are falling apart"....in a thread about Jabar Gaffney...
