we already have a scrub bench!!!!... todays bench scoring was a nice suprise... but until any player other than Yao or Tmac can give us consistant production (in the most games)... I will say other wise... this team needs a player like J Kidd... if we cant pull off... a trade of this caliber we will never win a Championship since Tmac(demanded to be traded here)... we have got only 3rd tier players or aging vets...
Is Joe Johnson another star player looking for an exit from a bad team? http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/hawks/entries/2007/12/05/index.html The words that offended: http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/101473
I don't think we have any room or pieces to add kidd or JJ. I am willing to give up, head, synder, alston, wells, for either one of them.
Kidd makes MAX money, I don't think we're going to pay for three max players. It's not going to work. Even with the right combination to match salaries.
He's lux tax material, but only for the remainder of this year and the next. In my opinion, that's worth chasing in a big way. Two years ago, no way. But we have a glaring need of a leader and floor general, and you aren't finding a better person for that than him. His shooting is erratic and his defense is only slightly above average at this point, but he's shown that his bball IQ is high enough to adjust for his loss of explosiveness post-microfracture surgery. Personally, I'd open the conversation with our #1, Mike James, Battier, Rafer, Novak, and Landry. Pick, depth, young bigs, cap savings. Moving all of our non-rotation guys (Snyder) may make sense to us fans, but it's not realistic. Holding onto McGrady and Yao isn't wrong to expect - their trade value is higher than his at 34 (35 this spring). We aren't on going to contend against the Spurs, Mavs, or Suns if we go with what we have. Make the push and we do. Evan
The timing of this demand makes a lot of sense to force a trade to Cleveland since Varejao just signed offer sheet that Cleveland is going to match. New Jersey doesn't need a starting point back. That kid they got behind Kidd from UConn is plenty good to replace him. So they could go after a good big and multiple other players. And Cleveland does have Larry Hughes rotting away on the bench.
I get the feeling that even if we traded for Kidd Alston would still get 40 mpg with Kidd sitting on the bench.
Nets aren't just giving away Kidd for nothing. We're not talking Isiah Thomas here. Other teams have much more to offer.
Yes just look at the Iverson trade and remember management got canned for making that trade. And also understand Rod Thorn is head and shoulders smarter than King or Knight. The Sixers traded point guard Andre Miller and the 7 million dollar expiring contract along with two first round draft picks. That's what they traded and they where stupid to do that by many sources. Andre Miller is better than anyone we have to offer, we don't have 2 first round picks for next year and we don't have any expiring contracts to offer. I would add maybe even more important than acquiring Miller was being able to shed 7 million dollars of contract. We can't offer that! SO the answer is not. I am a homer as much as the next guy but lets at least keep it semi-real. Outside of Tmac and Yao the only thing people want to give us for our players is garbage. I would say Battier Scola Bonzi and Francis have some trade value right now. WIth the exception of Battier there contracts are minimal but I wouldn't expect to get a player that would contribute more than those guys. Luther has minimal value, James isn't worth his contract and the rest team couldn't get us anything more than scrubs. Scrubs for scrubs is what we're left with. SO please stop posting Snyder Novak and Rafer for Kidd. You would have to have some serious dirt on Thorn to make a trade like that happen.
Um if the Rockets have a chance of getting this guy you do with all the power you have damnit.. Outside of Yao and Tracy you trade to get this guy.. Battier (My Fav outside the Yao and Tracy),Steve,Bonzi,Rafer,MJ, etc.. package or add pics + cash to get kidd... The man is a rebounding/assist machine.. I personally think he is better than nash because Kidd isn't surrounded by the personal that Nash has... Think about Nash being on the NJ team would he be as successful? I doubt he would be the MVP those years if he was on NJ.
From what I see Hughes would have to be the centrepiece in any deal. Varejao can't be traded for 3 months and he's stated he doesn't want to be along with his agent saying he will definately opt out after next season if the Cavs match. Gooden's their starting PF and part of their future. So maybe: Hughes + Donyell + picks for Kidd or Hughes + Newble + Brown (2 Expiring contracts) + picks for Kidd
If the Rockets can trade for Kidd, then the Rockets better trade for Kidd. I'd trade anyone but T-Mac and Yao.
It could be done. Don't know what all New Jersey would want in return, or what our competition would be. By all rights, the Lakers should be front runners for Jason Kidd's services, given Kwame Brown's expiring contract. If they would just give up Bynum, all would be fine, probably. But for a team that makes a lot of money they sure don't want to spend money. I think Bynum is an excuse. They want that cap savings Kwame will give them. As for the Rockets? Shane Battier, Mike James, Rafer Alston, and Kirk Snyder would get us in the ballpark money-wise. Maybe they'd have to throw in a no-money scrub or two on their end to make it work. Put in a phone call to Mike Harris, recall our D-leaguers....
To me that is how many prime years T-mac and Yao have. We have seen T-mac's athleticism in decline the past 3 years and Yao just being that HUGE is going to take a toll.
Even if we could by some miracle put together a package that NJ would take, which I don't think we can, the 2nd question would be what kind of contract extension J Kidd wants... Obviously it was more than the Nets wanted to pay, and obviously part of J Kidd signing off on a trade would be getting that extension. Otherwise he just goes from being the Nets head ache to being our head ache.
Does anyone know the contract of Hinrich? I think he's more easier to chase for and he's exactly what the Rox need.
Yeah, but those 2 years give us a FAR better shot of advancing deep if not contending for the title than our roster as it stands. Neither Yao nor TMac is a leader. Harsh, but true. Rick isn't that much of one either. Kidd is. He answers the two most alarming problems on this team - leadership and PG. Evan
