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I've seen enough, Harden is the real problem

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by SamFisher, Apr 27, 2016.

  1. digitallinh

    digitallinh Member

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    Wait you can't tell just by their physique which one Harden is more similar to?
     
  2. jordnnnn

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    Carmelo's most efficient season would only be better than Harden's rookie year.

    Carmelo's highest single season of win shares isn't better than ANY season Harden has had with Houston.

    Carmelo's peak in assist percentage isn't better than ANY season Harden has had in Houston.

    Carmelo's highest season in win shares per 48 would only be better than Harden's first 2 seasons in the league.

    There are 2 things Melo is/was absolutely better than Harden at, rebounding(as he should be) and not turning the ball over.

    So no, don't really sound all that familiar to me.
     
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  3. Briand2714

    Briand2714 Member

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    Because of his team record is not good enough and had some 'false' media narrative working against him.

    His regular season record was achieved by only 3 players in the history of NBA. 'Nuff Said.

    And surround by defense? what defense are you talking about?
     
  4. Mr. Clutch

    Mr. Clutch Member

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    No, they aren't. Those stats measure individual performance.
     
  5. GreatOne1978

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    The problem was starting with the management...Harden was never an alpha type player. He's a great No. 2 who HOU FO thought could be a championship type No. 1 leader. He never was and he proves yet again he isn't
     
  6. Mr. Clutch

    Mr. Clutch Member

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    There was no false narrative. It's true his defense has regressed to crap, he's turning it over too much and he's not running the offense as well as he did last year.

    That's why he's not getting any MVP votes
     
  7. Briand2714

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    ORtg, Drtg, plus/minus all depends on team performance. are you that ignorant or just have no shame flat out lying?
     
  8. Briand2714

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    His DRPM, DBPM is all average to below average level.

    present one evidence that show Harden's defense was one of the worst in the entire league. I dare you.
     
  9. Mr. Clutch

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    ORtg
    Offensive Rating (available since the 1977-78 season in the NBA); for players it is points produced per 100 posessions, while for teams it is points scored per 100 possessions.

    Where does real plus-minus come from?


    Drawing on advanced statistical modeling techniques (and the analytical wizardry of RPM developer Jeremias Engelmann, formerly of the Phoenix Suns), the metric isolates the unique plus-minus impact of each NBA player by adjusting for the effects of each teammate and opposing player.

    The RPM model sifts through more than 230,000 possessions each NBA season to tease apart the "real" plus-minus effects attributable to each player, employing techniques similar to those used by scientific researchers when they need to model the effects of numerous variables at the same time.

    RPM estimates how many points each player adds or subtracts, on average, to his team's net scoring margin for each 100 possessions played. The RPM model also yields separate ratings for the player's impact on both ends of the court: offensive RPM (ORPM) and defensive RPM (DRPM).
     
  10. Briand2714

    Briand2714 Member

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    That said, short term RAPM will overly share value on good defensive teams just to avoid outliers. Truth in between.

    This is just the offensive equivalent. The Warriors are really, really good at offense (especially with those players playing together) and RAPM will spread the value among them to avoid outliers

    http://nyloncalculus.com/2016/02/19/freelance-friday-deconstructing-rpm-the-mighty-prior/
     
  11. steddinotayto

    steddinotayto Member

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    So the other 10 games prior to Game 6 Harden didn't do jack ****. Gotcha.


    So basing on your requirement of using offensive and defensive rating I can see that Steven Adams' offensive rating is a hair below Stephen Curry and outranks Kevin Durant, LeBron James, Russell Westbrook, etc.

    Then taking a look at defensive ratings HERE I can see Harden's year is pretty much in line with every year he's been in the league except for last year.

    Then you're also using +/- to gauge Harden, a stat that's pretty much tells nothing other than how bad EVERYONE on the court is, collectively, at one time.
     
  12. Mr. Clutch

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    He's 284th in defensive real plus minus
     
  13. Briand2714

    Briand2714 Member

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    there are 462 qualified players for RPM in the entire league.

    what is his ranking among SGs?

    do you know how Dwight ranks among centers?
     
  14. Mr. Clutch

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    I never said it was a perfect stat. there is no perfect stat. Low usage and low minute guys can have skewed numbers.

    His drtg is tied for his worst in his career.
     
  15. kingkingston

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    the support cast and bench is the problem......when will people finally see this. It has been the problem all season long

    our bench gave us nothing this season
     
  16. Briand2714

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    as was everyone's drtg this season for the rocekts
     
  17. steddinotayto

    steddinotayto Member

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    So, by your own admission that this isn't a perfect that and that the ratings/numbers themselves can be skewed by low usage guys, how come you do not acknowledge the fact that Harden's usage rating this year is only outpaced by Westbrook and Cousins?
     
  18. Briand2714

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    You just admitted that ortg, drtg is heavily influenced by team performance. have more to say?
     
  19. Mr. Clutch

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    So you think everyone else all of a sudden got worse?

    Everyone knows Harden is the worst defender on the team and we had to hide him even last year.

    This year he took it up a notch and decided to barely try.
     
  20. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    I take it back. Harden does care but he ain't stupid.
     

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