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It's Yao's team, and Steve knows it.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Mar 7, 2004.

  1. haven

    haven Member

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    No. Think. Please.

    Am I referring to the last 3 games? No.

    I'm referring to an entire season in which his "good periods" have become increasingly impressive and his "poor periods" are becoming less cumbersome. Check the flippin' stats.

    And... umm... the Najera **** isn't anything new. It's been going on for 1.5 years. Sometimes he handles it, sometimes he doesn't. But this isn't some new "discovery."
     
  2. randerson153

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    Whatever, just chill out and read what you write before you post it. whether my comment was ludicrous or not, it did not merit the statement "POS" to be included in your post. I'm through talking to you because you're acting really childish right now.
     
  3. T-2

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    :D
     
  4. HeyDude

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    This is the most ridiculous arguement I've ever heard. If u dont know the reasons why Yao doesnt get the ball back after passing it back out, i dont know what it is u r watching.......next time look at the shot clock when Yao passes it out the first time. Then see how long it takes him to reposition again.....now look again at the shot clock......but then i guess if the guards pass him the ball with a couple ticks left and make Yao take a bad shot, u would probably blame the guards anyways, so :rolleyes:
     
  5. tiger0330

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    Couldn't agree with you more about Steve. He has embraced Yao and is genuinely happy when Yao and the team do well. If you asked Yao, I think he would tell you it is still Steve's team. Yao is coming on strong and I love Yao, but he still has much to learn before he can be called Mr. Franchise.
     
  6. SmeggySmeg

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    i could also be called being extrememly impatient....... wasn't Yao soft and a lost cause some time back according to you.... patience i think not
     
  7. zong

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    Yao, a player of the week.

    Players of the Week: March 1-7
    Odom, Yao Earn Weekly Honors

    NEW YORK, March 8 -- The Miami Heat's Lamar Odom and Houston Rockets' Yao Ming were named the Eastern Conference and Western Conference Players of the Week, respectively, for games played Monday, March 1 through Sunday, March 7.



    Yao and Odom have their teams in the playoff hunt.
    Victor Baldizon/NBAE/Getty Images
    Odom led the Heat to a 2-1 record this week, averaging 23.0 points, 13.3 rebounds and 7.7 assists per game. His 30-point, 19-rebound, 11-assist triple-double against Sacramento marked just the third 30-15-10 game in the NBA since 1989 and only the fourth triple-double in Heat history.

    Yao led the Rockets to a 2-1 record during the week, recording wins over Minnesota and Dallas. Yao, leading the Rockets in points and rebounds in all three contests, led the Western Conference with 29.7 points per game for the week and reached 25 points in three consecutive games for the first time in his career.

    Here is a closer look at the week for Odom and Yao:

    Lamar Odom, Miami Heat


    March 2 vs. Toronto: Scored 23 points on 11-of-18 shooting and grabbed 14 rebounds in a 89-86 loss to the Raptors.

    March 4 vs. Milwaukee: Tallied 16 points, nine assists and seven rebounds as the Heat defeated the Bucks 104-98.

    March 6 vs. Sacramento: Recorded a season-high 30 points, career-high 19 rebounds and tied a career-high 11 assists in a 102-96 win over Sacramento.
    Yao Ming, Houston Rockets


    March 3 vs. L.A. Lakers: Scored a game-high 33 points and grabbed eight rebounds in a 96-93 loss to the Los Angeles Lakers.

    March 5 @ Minnesota: Recorded 27 points, six rebounds and four assists in a 112-109 win over the Timberwolves.

    March 7 vs. Dallas: Had a game-high 29 points on 13-of-19 shooting and ten rebounds in a 101-98 win over the Mavericks.
     
  8. Visagial

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    I wasn't responding to your post at all, just anderson's observation (and JVG's during the ABC broadcast), that Yao often follows good performances with inassertive and passive play.

    Dude, I'm the biggest Yao fan out there. But I still have memory of the Sonics game, the 1st Atlanta game, the 2nd Kings game, the 2nd Dallas game, and the 1st Boston game and those are just off the top of my head!

    I want just as much as anyone here for Yao to be superduperhuber star. This just feels like times before where we all had our hopes up, then the slump comes and we all wonder if he'll ever break out of it.

     
  9. DaDakota

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    I call it like I see it, and he WAS playing soft.

    Are you saying, I can not then recognize the efforts of our team when things are turning around?

    :confused:

    DD

    PS...Patience SUCKS !!!! I have had 4 years of patience...I am results oriented....ATKINS MAN BABY !!
     
  10. SmeggySmeg

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    lack of patience with the majority of the team is one thing... but with Yao that is completely different, that is my point and that's all, you were completely inpatient with him... he is what 22 played one full season and you think he is soft......

    sure you can recognise change that's nice.... and really easy when searching for negatives...... but they are a group have been making strides all season... maybe not all the time, but they are getting better.....
     
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    yetti your post sounds subjective but i agree to the fact that Yao hasn't "regressed". It isn't though, as dramatic as being "at the mercy of others". He has bad games, but hes improving. Yao brought me here to Houston, so ill be watching out for him. Make no mistake though, i'm not as provincial as "the others". Coming from someone you guys call YOFs, I think that the guards are boneheads but i've never questioned their heart or passion or the so-called intentional freezeouts. I really truly hope that cat and stevie franchise remain a rocket but instead add some true backups for them. 40minutes a game is way too much for a 82 game season with postseasons as intense as it could be.
     
  12. sums41

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    When these two players start fighting over who's team it is, that'll be the day we'll be in real trouble. (Lakers have that problem)
     
  13. robbarnett

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    A few questions.......

    Does it really matter who's team it is as long as we win?

    Do we have to have one leader/franchis player?

    If so, then why can't we have more than one? The only reason it hasnt worked with Shaq and Kobe is becuase they both have XXXL ego's

    These sorts of things just perpetuate some of our problems and don't create any unity.
     
  14. haven

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    Yes, actually. A team with two players as different as Francis and Yao actually do have to have an established pecking order.

    "Franchise player" isn't just a title. It's not like having a gold star by your name in class. It's about who the team focuses the offense through, who the team tries to compliment when signing players, and how the team styles itself in all phases of the game.

    If you make Yao your franchise player, you have to go inside-out in a slow paced game.

    If you want Francis, you have to let him dominate the ball an enormous amount of the time, and rely on dribble penetration. You probably want people actually to vacate the lane, as a big guy inside only keeps the opponent's shotblockers in the lane.

    If Francis were Reggie Miller or Ray Allen, none of this would be a problem. But he's not. If you run the offense to suit Steve, you minimize Yao. Run it to suit Steve, you minimize Yao.

    You could try to do both - but eventually, one is almost certain to be more efficient, in which case it'd be dumb not to run the team that well.

    Moreover, that's only a short term solution, because there's still the issue of acquiring personnel to suit one player.

    So, yes. You do have to choose.
     
  15. robbarnett

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    Haven, point taken, I didnt really think it through when I posted, just tired of the bickering. I suppose it doesnt really work in the specific case of Yao and Steve for the reasons you mentioned, but given the right players it definately can.

    For example, A good team without a franchise player (in my opinion) is the Bucks

    A good team with more than one franchis player is the Mavs.
     
  16. DavidS

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    robbarnett,

    A few notes about Shaq/Kobe and the Mavs.

    Shaq and Kobe had two huge EGOS. But one of them HAD to regress. It was Kobe that ended up consigning his role to Shaq's. That's the only way it was going to work. Phil knew it. He just had to make sure that Kobe knew it. That way, when crunch time happens, everyone knows who your main-man is. There should be no confusion in the turmoil of the playoffs.

    As far as the Mavs....well, there's many All-Star caliber players on that team. But when it's all said and done...Dirk is the franchise player. Remove him, all you'll have is just another good team. But, not a contender. Once Dirk went down with an injury in last years playoffs you could have put a fork in to the Mavs chances.

    That's why I don't think that the Kings will make it past SA or LA without Webber finally stepping up. He's always been a "puss" in the playoffs. He seems to fade.
     
  17. pcheung

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    Haven,

    Word usage police - "complement (fit with)" not "compliment (brown nose)".
    I only interject because you've used it a few times, and I think you'd care.

    Carry on, I'm with you literally word for word. ;)
     
  18. haven

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    Wow. Thanks. I hate doing that.
     
  19. abcmemory

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    In my humble opinion, it doesn't matter whose team this is. I also believe Yao doesn't care about that at all. The important thing is for the Rockets to reach the playoff and go even further. Good results will make everybody look good...
     
  20. watashi315

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    I don't get it. What is wrong with scoring 17pts and 6 rebounds?? If that is what it takes for Yao to lead his team to victory, then I'll be more than happy to let him have those numbers on a daily basis. People have to keep in mind that this is a "team game" and not about individual results. More so, this is a game about individual contribution. If a game calls for Yao to be more of a rebounder as opposed to scorer, then he should do that. If a game requires Yao to act as a decoy and draw the defense away from the red-hot guards, then do it. Averaging 25 pts and 12 rebounds a night doesn't mean diddly squat, if your team cannot win the game. So, in the future, stop saying how Yao has regressed back to his "old ways" when he doesn't get as many points as we would like to see. If the team wins and he played a part, whatever that part may be, in the win, then be happy. Because, to be honest, there are a lot worse things that could happen to the Rox than Yao not getting 25/12 per night...such as not making the playoffs!
     

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