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It's Time: STEVE FRANCIS

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by elvis, Nov 9, 2007.

  1. Elvislives

    Elvislives Member

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    No, JVG sucks with immature players that put themselves before the team. It is a tragedy that there are so many in the NBA.

    I do agree with your assessment of the point guard situation last year.
     
  2. Elvislives

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    That is interesting, being that enlightened is a synonym for disillusioned.

    Sooooo, thank you?
     
  3. monkeyboy32

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    the point is he gets the ball to Yao. Steve would just dribble 22 seconds off the clock or turn it over.
     
  4. Man-Dingo

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    isnt it the immature player, atleast one named Bonzi that is the 3rd best player on the team this year
     
  5. Man-Dingo

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    ok Dr. Phil, thank you for your enlightening feedback
     
  6. wheelmi

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    If you are going to use stats to prove your point, then at least use all relevant stats. SF also has career averages of 5.6 rebounds and 6.1 assists per game, while Alston has averaged only 2.7 rebounds and 4.8 assists per game. Francis is also a a career 80% free throw shooter, while Alston is only 73%. Neither plays good defence, so they are a wash there in my opinion.
     
  7. Elvislives

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    Sure, but that doesn't change his immature behavior or attitude from last year, nor does being the third best player on the team make him emotionally mature.

    Not related man.
     
  8. Man-Dingo

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    I'm just trying to let you know that the coach is not paid to acces the maturity level of his players or to let his ego get in the way, he is paid to utilize the best combinations to get a win. And not utilizing Bonzi cost us last year, lets hope not using Steve Francis does not hurt us this year again
     
  9. wheelmi

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    They are almost statistically identical, so your quote is flawed.


    If you look at the last couple of seasons, you will still draw the same conclusions, SF>Alston, even with a bumb knee. SF still shot 41% - 44%, with the 3pt% being comparabe when averaging the two years. SF had more rebounds, more assists, and yes more turnovers, and all of this in fewer minutes per game (actually quite a bit fewer minutes).

    All in all SF still better than Alston the last couple of seasons! :eek:
     
  10. Elvislives

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    True. But the only stat I was showing was efficiency in shooting and handling the ball. Rafer's job is not to pile up the assists and the rebounds, but i sure wouldn't hurt if he got more.

    The other stats do matter, and your point is considered.
     
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    I wish Rick Adelman will see the light instead of playing his Rafer cos the y have the same initials :rolleyes:
     
  12. Blake

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    we are 5-1 and your ridiculous posts are making my head hurt. No one here is saying that Rafer is a better player, but that we are 5-1 and he isn't killing us.

    and wheelmi-I said Spot-up. Lots of steve's threes have been off the dribble. That is the type of player he is, hence his failure in JVG's system.

    I watched him the entire 4th qtr of the Mavs-Rox preseason game and all he did was dribble, dribble, dribble, bad decision and didn't fit well at all.

    I hope he turns it around and ends up playing, but right now we are 5-1 and it isn't as if SF is gonna be the savior

    So you rooks settle down and enjoy the good BB.

    And, no, I am not a Rafer fan
     
  13. Man-Dingo

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    not utilizing Bonzi last year got us 52-30 too,
     
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    Van Gundy started Rafer

    Adelman is starting Rafer

    Phil Jackson would start Rafer

    Greg Popavich would start Rafer

    NBA coaches know more than you
     
  15. Elvislives

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    If this were a video game, you'd be spot on. But it's not. Maturity level and the ability to follow directions and be coachable are very important in utilizing the best combination.

    Bonzi came to camp with a completely different attitude this year. I like JVG's style in handling players and always will. You clearly do not.

    I also like Adelman's. He to will not reward a player with poor attitude and maturity. Francis did not come into camp prepared to win the starting role, and as a result, did not. :eek:

    JVG's ego didn't get in the way, Bonzi's attitude towards the team and his situation did. JVG was stubborn because he believed in his system and his ability, just like players with egos. To cave to the pressures of fans or even his owner defeats the purpose for which he was hired. He was hired to coach the team, not babysit and nurse the egos of millionaires. If a player cannot take direction, then he does not deserve to play on the Rockets.

    Bonzi did make an effort later in the season and regrettably was injured. He may have been the difference last year, but if you remember, he was the one who quit, not JVG.
     
  16. Man-Dingo

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    ok guys, i see all your points but if you have been to the games this year, and watched Rafer hoist up airballs as if the ball was too hot in his hands, and on the other hand, you see Francis on the bench. You would understand where i'm coming from, but i see all your points and hopefully ADELMAN KNOWS BEST
     
  17. monkeyboy32

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    ditto.
     
  18. Man-Dingo

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    I seriously doubt if Popovich will start him, Phil on the other hand might give him some zen novels and then call him out on the news if his game doesn't change, but he will be benched regardless if his bad play continues, lets hope that ADELMAN KNOWS BEST
     
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    i can live with rafer's dismal shooting because i know he offers intangibles that dont show up on the stat sheet, such as getting players the ball in the right places and running the offense. seems like van gundy and adelman agree with me. ;)
     
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    Had no one else to start

    SF out of shape and Alston familiarity with the other starters give him the edge, but does not mean he is better player.

    Over Fisher? That's a stupid comment!

    Over Parker? Another stupid comment!
     

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