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It's Time: STEVE FRANCIS

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by elvis, Nov 9, 2007.

  1. rofflesaurus

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    sadly, that is currently the case, which is why rafer is still a key part of this team.
     
  2. Man-Dingo

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    Mike James >> SF>> Luther Head >> RA=AR
     
  3. Man-Dingo

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    WELL, I guess when Yao gets doubled up which is always bound to happen, then Rafer is useless cos he can not even hit open shots. So what use is he cos Yao will inadvertently get doubled
     
  4. Elvislives

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    Sure it does. Turning the ball over 4 times a game while still making only 40%, ala Francis. Francis is a career 43% shooter with 3.6 TO's per game. Alston? 1.7 To's per and 38% shooting. Francis never has been and never will be an efficient player. Alston is not an efficient scorer, but then he is not called on to do that much is he? He's efficient with getting the ball to the people that give us the best chance to win. I don't believe Francis can accomplish that consistently.

    I think we should be more concerned with Alston's defense. Francis generally won't help there.
     
  5. Man-Dingo

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    Francis is a better defender than RAFER,

    Including defense and Rafer in the same sentence is a classic oxy-moron
     
  6. hatemavs4life

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    That's what I think. They're trying to build trade value to get something for him and I think Steve will be starting by midseason. Rafer great ballhandler but, his outside shot is spotty at best and horrible at worst.

    Relax, I would say in the next couple of weeks, Steve should start getting some minutes. Otherwise, the pitch and the work to get Francis here is a completely worthless venture and devoid of any and all common sense.

    Luther and Rafer are holding onto a short rope.
     
  7. Blake

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    No he isn't. Stevie is not a good defender. Not saying Rafer is a good defender, b/c we've all watched his pick and roll defense, but Steve is not a good defender at all.

    He also has trouble hitting a wide open spot up 3 pointer, which Rafer can do at times.

    Not saying I like or support Rafer, but threads like this make me nauseas.

    Steve is the new VSpan.

    And if Steve is such a superstar, lets look at his last couple of season's statistics...
     
  8. Man-Dingo

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    well do that, and look up Rafer's too while u r at it
     
  9. Elvislives

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    How is Francis a better defender? His quickness? LOL. His size is a factor, but to think that his defense would be a significant upgrade to Rafer's is a farce. Neither are known for defensive prowess.

    You're stuck in 2002 my friend. There is a good possibility Francis is a wash. Let's hope not.
     
  10. jo mama

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    wow? steve-o strung together 4 decent games in a row. fire adleman!!! what was the knicks record in those 4 games, btw? 1 and 3, with their only win being against charlotte - GOOD JOB STEVE-O!!!

    what does those 4 decent games have to do with this rockets team? if you think steve-o can and should be putting up those #'s on this rockets team you are delusional. seems like you would rather see steve-o putting up 20 pt games than the rockets getting the win.

    apparently, for this team he is. im not a head coach getting paid millions or anything, but even i knew that steve-o would be a horrible fit for this team and adlemans offense, which requires smart decision-making, passing and the ability to move w/out the ball - none of these are steve-o's strengths.
     
  11. jo mama

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    6'3'' isnt all that tall. im 6'3''. why isnt adleman playing me?

    as opposed to that tenacious, lock-down defense that steve-o has always been famous for? :rolleyes:

    thats all very nice and all, but it has nothing to do with on the court play. steve came in here with a sense of entitlement as to his starting job and he didnt earn it.

    did you ever think that the thing that is wrong is steve-o?

    arent we 5-1?
     
  12. Man-Dingo

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    Francis as a wash is still better than Rafer who's only skill is to pass the ball to Yao, and yet is only averaging 4.2 apg as a STARTER on a team that scores 96.83 and did I mention that this team is also supposed to be a contender
     
  13. blackistan

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    Its been time for steve francis...Free Stevie
     
  14. Man-Dingo

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    sure the problem is with steve francis and you also happen to know he sucks because you have seen him in how many games this season????????
     
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    francis has never shot below 40% from the field in his career. rafer has shot above 38% only twice, both in toronto, both of which were his best shooting years in his career (41.5 and 41.4%).

    rafer shoots the 3 at a marginally better clip, but also shoots substantially more than francis ever has in a single season. and unlike francis, when rafer's shot is off, he can't drive to the basket and pick up some free throws. while rafer might run the offense better than francis, he poses significantly less of a threat to defenses than francis. whether his ability to get the ball to tmac or yao a couple seconds faster than francis offsets his detrimental impact on the defense's ability to completely cheat off of him is something we'll never know until francis gets an equal opportunity to play.
     
  16. jo mama

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    in 9 years he has only played in 5 playoff games. i would hardly call him legit and proven in the playoffs.
     
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    no he isnt - and rafer isnt even that great.
     
  18. Man-Dingo

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    I will leave that up to you to ask Adelman y he is not playing you.

    Just the same way we were 52-30 last year and decided not to fix our pg problem, until we got burned during the playoff. You will make a very good coach some day.

    I am not saving that Francis will be SuperNegro, all am asking is that he should be given a chance to screw up, just like Raer, Head and James
     
  19. jo mama

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    i could easily turn it around and say you know he is going to be great b/c you have seen him in how many games this season?

    if you took of your steve-colored glasses you might notice that we are 5 and 1.
     
  20. Man-Dingo

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    haha, calling Rafer a better defender than Francis, who if i might add blocks shot and grabs rebounds as a pg, is just like Fabricio Oberto is the major reason the spurs won the last championship
     

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