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It's pretty evident we're a better team when Lin is the primary ball handler.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Geronimo, Dec 2, 2012.

  1. gtmkcp

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    I wish we could wait until the end of the season, if that was possible, but it's not.
     
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    Lol at Lin-lovers ready to anoint him after his 1st good game. Harden is still the lead dog who should have the ball in his hands, although I do agree that they should split up the touches more.
     
  3. JK1

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    Just enjoy the ride man.
     
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    People has been calling for this for a long time. :rolleyes:
     
  5. just a word

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    :confused: well, yes, but what does that have to do with the fact that I'm mostly here for browsing the game threads and the stat talk?

    I wonder if you're gonna ghetto Nate Silver and torocan then.
     
  6. JK1

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    No just you, :mad::mad:
     
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    watch Lin have a poor game tomorrow and then all the Lin haters and trolls come out.
     
  8. gtmkcp

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    I am enjoying the games especially when we win. :grin:
     
  9. JK1

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    A poor quarter, and they will be foaming at the mouth - its true.
     
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    What are you laughing at, you agree with the so called Lin lovers.

    Pretty much. Jeremy Lin is still a joke thread.
     
  11. just a word

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    You have very angry red balls, sir. You should get that looked at.:)
     
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    Expect more than 100 page thread.

    They're getting hungry and ready to attack.

    I can imagine them salivating for the opportunity. lol
     
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    I didn't know that. Thanks.
     
  14. Allegro

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    I've been hinting at the JKidd similarity since before the start of the season. Look up the "Lin's Upside" thread.

    Looks like you're violently agreeing with me.
     
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    Since we are doing comparisons using a very limited sample size of Lin's 16 games from this season anyways, I did the following search using this criteria:

    For single seasons; played in the NBA/BAA; in the regular season; from 1946-47 to 2012-13; from 1st to 3rd season; requiring Rebounds Per Game >= 4 and Assists Per Game >= 6 and Steals Per Game >= 2 and Effective Field Goal Pct <= .426; sorted by descending Usage Pct.

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    Tota Per Shoo Adva
    Rk Player Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS FG% 3P% FT% eFG% USG%
    1 Ricky Rubio 2011-12 21 MIN NBA 41 31 34.2 3.4 9.5 0.8 2.3 3.1 3.8 0.5 3.7 4.2 8.2 2.2 0.2 3.2 2.4 10.6 .357 .340 .803 .398 18.7
    2 Jeremy Lin 2012-13 24 HOU NBA 16 16 34.4 4.1 10.5 0.7 2.6 1.9 2.4 0.7 3.7 4.4 6.6 2.0 0.4 2.9 2.3 10.9 .393 .262 .816 .426 18.2
    3 Nate McMillan 1988-89 24 SEA NBA 75 74 31.2 2.7 6.5 0.2 0.9 1.6 2.5 1.9 3.3 5.2 9.3 2.1 0.6 2.8 3.1 7.1 .410 .214 .630 .426 13.3
    </PRE>

    I included eFG% into the search to reflect Lin's shooting this year. Thoughts?
     
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    I don't know why Jeremy Lin fans can't accept the fact that he played pretty poor early in the season. And that when a scorer has trouble scoring, any team that wants to win will go to more efficient players. But now that he's been finishing at the basket better, they're running more plays for him. This isn't some freaking conspiracy theory. It's about coaches wishing to maximize scoring.

    If Lin shows he can produce more, he'd get more touches and more ball handling duties. The Rockets would like nothing more than Lin to take pressure off of Harden. They'd like nothing more for him to get closer to his Linsanity efficiency. Yes, believe it or not, it's in the Rockets best interest to make Lin as productive as possible. The only question is, does Lin have the capability to be productive as a ball-handling PG? Early in the season? No. Now? Perhaps yes. We'll see going forward.
     
  17. Allegro

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    The good majority of Rockets fans are fans -- we <i>want</i> our players to be great. Whether we're comparing Harden to Ginobili or Lin to Kidd, we are only engaging in typical fan talk. How can any sensible fan be upset?

    There are haters, of course, and they will hate regardless. Ignore them or destroy them, as you like.
     
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    In fairness, that one might be a low blow to Kidd (despite what Wikipedia says). I thought I remeber seeing some talk years later about how Kidd was actually the one abused, not the other way around. Correct me if I'm wrong.
     
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    I actually thought the OP was a troll making fun of Lin by asking him to play with his fans' balls. I was thinking of asking the OP to be prevented from starting new threads.
     
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    For single seasons; played in the NBA/BAA; in the regular season; from 1946-47 to 2012-13; from 1st to 3rd season; requiring Rebounds Per Game >= 4 and Assists Per Game >= 6 and Steals Per Game >= 2 and Effective Field Goal Pct <= .478; sorted by descending Usage Pct.

    <PRE>
    Tota Per Shoo Adva
    Rk Player Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS FG% 3P% FT% eFG% USG%
    1 Allen Iverson 1996-97 21 PHI NBA 76 74 40.1 8.2 19.8 2.0 6.0 5.0 7.2 1.5 2.6 4.1 7.5 2.1 0.3 4.4 3.1 23.5 .416 .341 .702 .467 28.9
    2 Jason Kidd 1995-96 22 DAL NBA 81 81 37.5 6.1 16.0 1.6 4.9 2.8 4.1 2.5 4.3 6.8 9.7 2.2 0.3 4.0 1.9 16.6 .381 .336 .692 .433 24.3
    3 Chris Paul 2005-06 20 NOK NBA 78 78 36.0 5.2 12.1 0.6 2.3 5.1 6.0 0.8 4.3 5.1 7.8 2.2 0.1 2.3 2.8 16.1 .430 .282 .847 .456 22.2
    4 Ricky Sobers 1977-78 25 IND NBA 79 38.2 7.0 15.5 4.2 5.1 1.2 3.0 4.1 7.4 2.2 0.3 4.5 3.9 18.2 .453 .825 .453 21.8
    5 Gary Grant 1989-90 24 LAC NBA 44 44 34.8 5.5 11.8 0.1 0.5 2.0 2.6 1.3 3.1 4.4 10.0 2.5 0.1 4.7 2.7 13.1 .466 .238 .779 .471 21.1
    6 Winston Garland 1988-89 24 GSW NBA 79 79 33.7 5.9 13.6 0.1 0.5 2.6 3.2 1.3 2.9 4.2 6.4 2.2 0.2 2.4 2.7 14.5 .434 .233 .809 .439 19.5
    7 Baron Davis 2000-01 21 CHH NBA 82 82 38.9 5.0 11.7 1.0 3.3 2.8 4.1 1.6 3.4 5.0 7.3 2.1 0.4 2.8 3.3 13.8 .427 .310 .677 .472 19.2
    8 Fat Lever 1984-85 24 DEN NBA 82 82 31.2 5.2 12.0 0.1 0.3 2.4 3.1 1.8 3.2 5.0 7.5 2.5 0.4 2.5 2.8 12.8 .430 .250 .770 .434 19.2
    9 Ricky Rubio 2011-12 21 MIN NBA 41 31 34.2 3.4 9.5 0.8 2.3 3.1 3.8 0.5 3.7 4.2 8.2 2.2 0.2 3.2 2.4 10.6 .357 .340 .803 .398 18.7
    10 Jeremy Lin 2012-13 24 HOU NBA 16 16 34.4 4.1 10.5 0.7 2.6 1.9 2.4 0.7 3.7 4.4 6.6 2.0 0.4 2.9 2.3 10.9 .393 .262 .816 .426 18.2
    11 Mark Jackson 1987-88 22 NYK NBA 82 80 39.6 5.3 12.4 0.4 1.5 2.5 3.2 1.5 3.4 4.8 10.6 2.5 0.1 3.1 3.0 13.6 .432 .254 .774 .448 17.3
    12 Jason Kidd 1996-97 23 TOT NBA 55 45 35.7 3.9 9.6 1.1 3.0 2.0 3.0 1.2 3.4 4.5 9.0 2.3 0.4 2.6 2.1 10.9 .403 .370 .679 .460 17.2
    13 Nate McMillan 1988-89 24 SEA NBA 75 74 31.2 2.7 6.5 0.2 0.9 1.6 2.5 1.9 3.3 5.2 9.3 2.1 0.6 2.8 3.1 7.1 .410 .214 .630 .426 13.3
    </PRE>

    I expanded the search for any eFG% <= .478 which was Lin's eFG% from last year. Interesting results.
     

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