But it still wouldn't hurt to lose a few pounds. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39466130/ns/health-diet_and_nutrition/?GT1=43001 Fat but fit? Big gray area confounds scientists New study shows obese but metabolically healthy folks benefit from weight loss By Stephanie Pappas LiveScience Senior Writer updated 10/3/2010 12:51:14 PM ET Is it possible to be fat and fit? Perhaps, researchers say, but losing weight may make you even better off. A new study, published in the September issue of the journal Diabetes Care, finds that people who are obese but metabolically healthy (meaning they have healthy cholesterol and blood sugar levels as well as normal blood pressure), can still improve their health profile by dropping a few pounds. The study contradicts an earlier finding that people who are obese and yet healthy may actually be worse off if they lose weight. What the new study can't do is explain why some people manage to be both obese and healthy ¾ or whether there's really such a thing. "Right now, we are in a gray zone. Is it really protective to be metabolically healthy?" said Martin Brochu, an obesity researcher at the Université de Sherbrooke in Quebec. "There's a huge debate in the scientific literature right now." Obese, but healthy? Researchers have long known that excess weight doesn't affect everyone the same way. Obesity is defined as having a body mass index of 30 or over, a measure that includes height and weight but not other related measures like the ratio of muscle mass to fat. At the population-wide level, BMIs over 30 are associated with numerous health problems, including cardiovascular disease and diabetes. But the measurement is less sensitive when it comes to predicting individual health. Starting in the 1960s, researchers noted that some obese individuals didn't have the hallmarks of weight-related illnesses. Some had normal blood cholesterol and normal insulin sensitivity, meaning they lacked risk factors for heart disease and diabetes. In the last decade, research on these metabolically healthy obese individuals has ramped up. In 2001, Brochu and colleagues tested 43 obese, sedentary and post-menopausal women and found that 17 of them qualified as metabolically healthy. The key difference between the healthy and unhealthy groups? Where they stored their fat. Those who were healthy had half the visceral fat, or deep belly fat, of those who weren't. Other studies have shown that visceral fat, which packs around the organs in the abdomen, is more detrimental to the body than the subcutaneous fat found just beneath the skin. "The fat cells in the visceral depot tend to be a lot more likely to sort of spew out excess fat into the bloodstream," said Peter Janiszewski, an obesity researcher and recent Ph.D. graduate from Queen's University in Toronto. Janiszewski, who blogs about obesity research on the Public Library of Science website, added that metabolically healthy obese individuals are usually more active than those who are obese with poor metabolic profiles. Dueling studies There's no universal definition of metabolic health in obese people, but researchers estimate that between 25 percent and 30 percent of the obese have normal metabolic profiles. Now they're struggling to understand what that means. Why do some people resist packing on bad belly fat? And if they're already healthy, should they bother to lose weight? A 2008 study published in the journal Diabetologica suggested the answer to that second question is "no." In that study, 20 metabolically healthy obese women and 24 metabolically at-risk women went on a six-month diet to lose weight. Results showed the women who were metabolically healthy actually experienced a 13 percent decrease in insulin sensitivity after losing about 6 percent of their body weight. Since decreased insulin sensitivity is a risk factor for heart disease and type 2 diabetes, the findings suggested that losing weight made the metabolically healthy obese women less healthy. One study isn't cause to skip your the gym, however. Last month, Janiszewski and his Ph.D. adviser published a study attempting to replicate the 2008 study's results. They included other weight-loss methods, like exercise, and studied both men and women. After six months, the researchers measured the participants' insulin sensitivity. The results failed to match the findings of the previous study: Regardless of how the metabolically healthy obese people lost weight, their insulin sensitivity improved by 18.5 percent. Metabolically unhealthy people improved more, perhaps because they had more to gain. "There should be no fear, regardless of what your metabolic status is, of being active," Janiszewski told LiveScience. "You certainly won't get any worse with exercise and diet, and you have a likelihood of improving some metabolic risk factors." Antony Karelis of the University of Quebec at Montreal, the author of the 2008 study, said that the two studies were hard to compare, because the two groups of researchers used different measurements and methods. But, he said, more studies are needed that take metabolic health into account. "I think we should actually promote weight loss in these individuals, but we need to find out, what is the best way to do it?" Karelis said. But how are we defining 'health'? Obesity researchers are quick to note that this academic gray area is no excuse to pack on the pounds. Obesity is a major public health issue, responsible for 9 percent of total U.S. medical expenditures in 1998, including out-of-pocket, insurance and Medicare/Medicaid, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. And good metabolic indicators may not capture the full picture of what it means to be healthy. Even the metabolically healthy obese are at higher risk for health problems like joint pain, and obesity has been linked with depression. There's also no guarantee that being obese but metabolically healthy reduces the risk of dying sooner than metabolically at-risk individuals. A study published last year in the journal Diabetes Care found there was no difference in the age of death between metabolically healthy and metabolically unhealthy obese people over a follow-up of nine years. Part of the reason, said Jennifer Kuk, a professor at York University in Toronto who led the study, seems to be that obese people are more likely to die of cancer and trauma-related causes regardless of their metabolic status. Cancer may claim lives, because obese people are more reluctant to see their doctors, Kuk said, and trauma injuries may be more difficult to treat in people with greater body mass. The bottom line: diet and exercise Kuk's findings suggest weight loss might be beneficial no matter what your cholesterol levels tell you. But given research showing that most people fail to maintain weight loss (and findings that yo-yo weight loss and gain may be psychologically and physically harmful), the best message for the metabolically healthy subset is unclear. "Whether we should be actively promoting weight loss knowing that over 90 percent of these individuals are going to fail is a question that I don't think anyone can answer at this point," Kuk said. At least some clinicians are considering increasingly sophisticated screening procedures to separate metabolically healthy from metabolically unhealthy patients in the doctor's office. In 2009, researchers proposed a new scale in the International Journal of Obesity that would take into account metabolic risk factors. Under that scale, metabolically healthy obese patients would be counseled to maintain their weight by eating well and exercising. Amid the debate over the benefits of weight loss, one thing is certain, Janiszewski said: The “eat well and exercise” message is good for everyone. "Weight isn't maybe the most important thing you should look at," he said. With a healthy diet and exercise, "even if the scale says zero change, you're still getting a lot healthier and reducing your risk of disease."
Can someone explain to me what the difference here is? What is deep belly fat vs subcutaneous fat just beneath the skin? Can you tell a difference by looking?
Subcutaneous means under the skin like it says, if you go watch a surgery video on youtube when they cut into the abdomen you'll see a bunch of yellow gunk, that's fat that surrounds the organs to protect them, deep belly fat (though I've never heard it called deep belly fat). Double chin or those arm flaps is subcutaneous.
Fat people consume resources, are sedentary and dont live to their "potential" Slim people have more vitality and are examples of "maximizing" life. Screw it, eugenics time. Pick a preferred standard of human form you want and eradicate the rest. The earth is counting on it.
Fat on your midsection is not healthy. You can have normal cholesterol and BP and still be at a greater risk for certain types of cancer and heart disease when you store a lot of fat in your stomach. That's where I tend to store mine - and it's much more worrisome than storing it in your hips or butt. I've lost around 30 pounds over the past year. My BP and cholesterol were normal but now they're at an optimum level. I got back into the normal BMI range. It's just...not possible to be too healthy,so why just stop and be content if you're carrying around the extra weight? If you eat right and exercise regularly, you won't be obese in the first place. Well, unless you're one of those super-athletes that seem to invalidate the BMI system. Obviously Mario Williams isn't obese.
to add to this, and i think this was what the poster was really asking, deep belly fat can protect organs to a certain extent, but if it's too much its going to cause trouble, pushing up against vital organs, basically squeezing them to the point they malfunction. Too much fat anywhere is bad, but it's better to have it squeezing your leg than your heart, which is why fat distribution plays a huge role here, as mentioned in this article.
also wanted to mention that a lot of people nowadays think ripped abs are healthier than anything else, but in reality you want a little fat on you. You don't want excessive fat, but very low body fat levels are bad as well.
Given that most people that work out enough to get ripped probably don't need to worry where their next meal is coming from, why do they need to carry around the extra fat?
You can have good cardiovascular health and still be overweight. Roy Nelson and Fedor Emelianenko are good examples of guys that run 6 miles a day despite having fairly high body fat. That said, they're more exceptions than the norm I think.
