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It's okay to be the gay!

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by mc mark, Mar 18, 2009.

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  1. ChrisP

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    I think the genetics argument is pointless and distracts from the really important question... what the hell is wrong with people CHOOSING to live how they want to. If it causes no harm to you, what do you care? Live and let live.

    I personally don't see it as much of choice -- who would choose the life of persecution they get? -- but, what does it matter anyway?
     
  2. Bogey

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    Well what about catholic preists that like little boys, are they choosing to like little boys or is that just the way they are born. Granted this is disgusting and should not really be associated with gays. (especially since it is not between consenting adults.)

    If you are the way you are genetically, then it's a matter if you choose to act on it or not.

    Personally, the gay lifestyle is not something I'm a fan of, but what you do behind closed doors is up to you, I just wish gays (not all, but some) wouldn't parade around and force the fact they are gay on you. I don't think it helps the cause but just the opposite.
     
  3. Mathloom

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    But a lot of Americans, who have rights too, think it is. Don't they?
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    Maybe they wish that heterosexual couples(not all, but some) wouldn't parade around and force the fact that they are straight on them.
     
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    Americans do not have the right to not be made uncomfortable.
     
  6. ChrisP

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    Please explain to me how anyone is harmed.
     
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    Yeah, I'll see you at the next Straight Pride parade and festivals.
     
  8. Mathloom

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    Got it.

    From an outsider perspective, there is no solution that is going to make both sides happy.

    From the Christian side: It is not right and their existence is something that God has acted angrily upon in the past. This is "discomfort".

    From the Gay (maybe also Christian) side: It is not right that they have to hide an urge. Again, the issue here seems to be going public. Keeping it non-public is also "discomfort".

    All other people ca get along, but I don't know how a decision can be made which is fair to any of these sides.

    Am I misunderstanding something here?
     
  9. surrender

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    More like "Maybe I'll see you at the next gay marriage ban"
     
  10. Artesticle

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    Just like how private gun ownership is not harmful to others but murder is.
     
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  12. FranchiseBlade

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    I don't believe I've advocated outlawing private gun ownership.
     
  13. Artesticle

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    That's cool. I'm just throwing it out there...
     
  14. Mathloom

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    No idea. My guesses:

    I think if someone is Christian, harm is not only in this world, it is in the next world as well. So I guess one of the key things is how to answer Jesus if he asks "Did you allow this to happen?"

    The non-adults are being considered as well I guess. Much like someone's parents stops them from hanging out with pot smokers althogh pot smoking doesn't really hurt anyone else.

    Another key part of Christianity is helping the community/society. Love your enemy, love your neighbour, etc.. Just because it doesn't harm anyone ELSE, doesn't mean they shouldn't care what you do to yourself. I think this gets lost in the arguments. If everyone is an alcoholic in their own life, it doesn't hurt other people, but the country suffers. I guess I'm trying to say that "doesn't hurt anyone else" doesn't always justify what's good for the country.

    I must add the disclaimer: I'm just hypothesizing. I'm no expert on Christianity, genetics, or American law.
     
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    Seriously, homosexuals can lead good lives. They can help other people. The only difference is what happens in the bedroom. Why should that be punished? So you're saying that the gays of this country are ruining America? How?

    P.S. Alcoholics don't hurt other people? Tell that to the families that they hurt or the people that are killed on the roads.
     
  16. Artesticle

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    Prohibition did much more harm. Which would you rather have?
     
  17. hitman1900

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    That was totally besides the point I was trying to make.
     
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    mc mark likes this
     
  19. Artesticle

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    From what I have seen here, bad mouthing Christians is tolerated much more than bad mouthing homosexuals.
     
  20. Mathloom

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    I agree with you, albeit loosely.

    I do think that alcohol hurts other people.

    I think both sides should be satisfied. If they are not, it will create more segregation in America. Which is no good for America. You keep building walls and at some point no one cares what happens on the other side of the wall. More seperation. No one cares if their neighbour is shot.

    If the system ultimately leads to every person caring only about themselves, then it is doomed to failure. When there is just seperation and no "glue", it will become easy to break.

    Everyone should be attempting to make the other side happy, not just fending for themselves.
     

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