Ok, so you admit that attraction to the one sex or the other is not a choice then. It is only the demonstrative act of that attraction that is the choice. I know that you are wrong about the evidence that shows homosexuality is a result of genetics. I already mentioned the 1500 species with homosexual behavior. Feel free to read the following study as well. http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-06/plos-ssm061608.php Or you can read this one http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080628205430.htm
That's probably the only reasons you guys love gays. The lesbians. If I stuck a picture of two guys sticking it up each other. I would see your hands fly right out of your pants.
Actually, it's because I'm not a hysterical bigot, but girls kissing is a nice bonus And going back to OddsOn's "point" about gays being immoral because their sex nasty and disgusting - what about lesbian sex? There's no penetration going on, and very little risk of STD transmission. Hell, it's probably safer than straight sex. I think what I'm getting at is that we need more lesbians
I skimmed through the first one and it just talks abouts factors and traits. Nothing about specific genetic markers contributing to homosexuality. The second one is nicely summarised in the last line; "Despite this, our study provides the most unbiased estimates presented so far of genetic and non-genetic contributions to sexual orientation." If so and when you do find solid evidence, I will happily walk over to your side.
Do you understand how scientific sampling works? Your failure to recognize that in the studies I provided for you doesn't mean that the evidence isn't there.
It's gotta suck to be on the wrong side of history, just getting madder and madder as society finally grants basic human and civil rights to those they deplore. A lot of people used to feel the same way about people of different races as some here feel about people of different orientations. Over time, many of those old racists saw the error of their hateful ways. I hope some of the people in this thread eventually find the same kind of peace.
I of course was just going to extreme to point out, that basing it whether it is right or wrong on having children is wrong. I think if we all felt we were required to reproduce, we would have a population boom that this planet couldn't hold. You could make the argument that homosexuality is even a natural control on overpopulation. You don't choose who you are attracted to. Some men are just not attracted to women in general, but are to men, and vice versa. You should just do whatever you feel comfortable doing sexually with another consenting adult. My guess is that the majority of people at the very least have bi-sexual tendencies, and do choose to deny them. Social pressures are largely why we probably don't see more bi-sexuals(particularly men).
Hey sparkey, asking a few twins in Sweden about their behaviour isn't very accurate or revelating. Even the author admits "The study is not without its limitations". Next time, use stone to stand on instead of a sponge cake.
Have you even read the bible? In the first book Mathew of the new testament Jesus condemns the very act of homosexuality. He would probably sit with them to discuss there sinful ways and allow them a chance to repent. But if they chose to stay deviant and sin then he would send them away to their fate. As far as some of you and others arguements about societal acceptance. History is riddled with cases of civilizations rapidly declining after open acceptance of homosexuallity. Rome, Greece, Persia, the list goes on.
There is no doubt that homosexuality has a genetic component. Various twin studies have pretty much settled the issue.
I don't know if sexual orientation is partially a biological thing or not but it is DEFINITELY partially behavioral/psychological. I used to work with a lesbian when I was consulting in Florida. She had told me more than once that she was only into women. One night we went to a casino after work and had some drinks. When we got back to the hotel, both of us wasted, she started hitting on me out of nowhere. I was shocked because I was fully convinced that she was gay. I know that was just one personal experience and I'm not saying all gays/lesbians are like her but there are definitely SOME like her. If you had to make an absolute argument about whether sexual orientation is a biological or behavioral thing, I think it's easier to make an argument for the latter, at least until their is more concrete scientific evidence for the biological argument. Having said that, I wouldn't be shocked if mankind eventually finds proof that there are also genetic factors in some cases, possibly in many cases. Regardless, nobody should be persecuted for their orientation.
One thing that annoys me a lot is when people use science to back up their prejudiced thoughts as if it validates the rightness of their opinions. You're totally wrong. Homosexuality is a trait found in nature. You're assuming individual fitness is the only factor to a species survival. It's like saying every insect from a hive must pass on their genetic material or fishes at the edge of schools knowingly do it to so they themselves have a better individual chance of survival. One example exhibited in mammals would be children raised by gay siblings. 3 or 4 guardians beats one or two. If resources are limited, having less offspring would increase the overall chances of the groups survival. Humanity will do just fine as long as the majority continue to have children.
